| Hypocrite? Maybe, but not without his reasons. |
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newtonsballs said: The first time I watched it he didn't bother me at all for some reason, but now he's pissing me off. Welcome to the club. |
| As far as I recall, one of the reasons he opposed Lelouch was mainly because he completely disagreed with Zero´s methods, related to what he himself did long ago. Do you remember what was of his father and how the entire country paid it? That´s why he´s so fixed to the ideals of changing Britannia from the inside nowadays, even if that makes him a subject of hypocrisy, as downright idealistic it is. Mind you that I was never a Suzaku supporter but never hated him either, and he´s understandable at least in a naivety way. |
Karura_JiinsaruJun 3, 2012 5:41 PM
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| ^ That reminded me of the days when I was watching the series and was very common reading hate comments about Suzaku. Good times XD |
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| the ends don't justify the means for him and he wants to change from within |
| His "ends justifies the means" method, Zero also makes sacrifices during the course of the series and his rebellion is done throught violence instead of democracy and setting a "pacific" example. Suzaku disagrees with that, thinking that nothing good come from this, as he did the same thing as a child He expected, although naively, that by becoming a Britannian soldier despite his japanese origins, he might be able to change the system from inside, and his relationship with Euphemia supported his beliefs. |
Karura_JiinsaruJun 3, 2012 6:07 PM
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| And again I have to come in with the Death Note rivalry notes. Lulu and Suzaku are essentially Light vs L. One has his methods, the other criticizes those methods because there are moments when the first person is just plain wrong. Lelouch is Light in this case, where he's fighting for what he calls justice, and Suzaku is L, saying that this justice is wrong. Suzaku criticizes throughout the series how Zero uses people as pawns and "doesn't care how many of them die for his goal to make them all the strongest." He's wrong, but where's his proof otherwise? If you care to continue an argument, I can easily be on both Lulu's and Suzaku's side. |
| In the end they both wind up being hypocrites, although I guess things turn out Ok in the end. |
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| Not really, Lelouch had Zero Requiem in order to have everyone forget the Massacre Princess. Neither are hypocrits for both gave good reasons for why they opposed one another. That is, until ep 19 (The Island) when Suzaku talked to Kallen, he was an idiot from then till ep 23, then his logical reason to oppose Zero returned. |
| Yeah every time i watch this anime i see more and more how awful that character is. Hypocrite isn't enough for him. He supposedly hates Zero for fighting back because if no one fought back then there wouldn't be any fight and blood loss but that is as ridiculous logic as it can get. So according to his stupid logic Brittania should be left to conquer everything untroubled and be a big boogeyman because fighting them will cost lives. Well fuck instead of blaming people for fighting for their freedom(something that is an essential need to humans and risked their lives for it since ever) why doesn't he blame his little Brittania lords for starting the wars in the first place by invading the countries of others? Even if he killed Zero bloodshed will never stop because as long as people are oppressed they would fight and there will always be some group fighting for their freedom. Also how ridiculous is he? Saying that Zero's methods cause deaths when his Brttanian lords even put him in a position to kill people that have already surrender or civilians? So Zero causing deaths by fighting is worse than the Britannia guys that even create genocides or abandon their own? Change Brittania from the inside? Give me a fucking break you moron. So what? Wish that Brittania conquers the whole world and then Suzaku changes them to a nice global government instead of the oppressive monsters they are? How many years will that take? How many will be oppressed and die by Britanian hands until that happens? And how is he gonna do it? Does he think someone will make him an emperor just like that? His not even trying to mix himself in the political and power structure of Brittania, he just acts like a soldier so how the fuck does he think he will ever gain a position inside Brittania to change anything especially when Brttania seems to be ruled by linage and blood relations? At least if he had some big plan on how to achieve those dreamy silly stuff he was saying then he might have made some sense but he has none and he isn't the type that can make such plans ether. Such plans might have worked If he had a brain like Lelouch's but his a simple head that is only good with physical activities than actually thinking. The guy is a fucking idiot. If he really wanted war to finish as fast as possible and innocents to be spared he would have joined Zero from the start. Because Zero already is fighting for the weak and isn't as obsessive and he could have a high position right by Zero's side to make sure that his morals are being heard and influence Zero and his organization. Also considering his the one who basically stops Zero from winning every fucking time then his the one that prolongs the war. If he was by his side Zero would have won faster and bloodshed in Japan would have been over faster. |
| People bitching about him give off the impression that you're just mad big baddy meanie-head Suzaku didn't want to be friends with super cool awesome Zero. If you really hated his character, I suggest you rewatch it, and actually pay attention to his motivations, emotions, and his actual character. I know it's hard to actually think a little bit, and use common human knowledge when relating to a character, but at least try. |
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Red_Keys said: People bitching about him give off the impression that you're just mad big baddy meanie-head Suzaku didn't want to be friends with super cool awesome Zero. If you really hated his character, I suggest you rewatch it, and actually pay attention to his motivations, emotions, and his actual character. I know it's hard to actually think a little bit, and use common human knowledge when relating to a character, but at least try. I agree I found him to be a great character, I don't get the hate on him. |
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| suzaku is a good character. just that he's an unlikable dude, but that's how the way he's written. |
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