Monogatari Series: Second Season
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Sep 2, 2013 3:28 AM
#101
ihusmal1234 said: No, I'm not sure but I thought that while they are putting Hana after the rest of Second Season they would otherwise be doing Otorimonogatari next. Do you have a source that says they are doing Onimonogatari next instead? I don't have confirmation either way, I'm just going by the order of things on the official site.hpulley said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell. Wait, are you sure Nadeko Medusa is after Kabuki? I thought it was going to be Kabuki-->Shinobu Time-->Nadeko Medusa |
Sep 2, 2013 3:35 AM
#102
Shinobu in yukata was TOO DAMN CUTE. Didn't really get all of the explanation though. I think I need to rewatch Bake. |
Sep 2, 2013 3:54 AM
#103
Sep 2, 2013 4:01 AM
#104
-MgZ_ said: Make sure you watch the ONA episodes 13-15, not on Crunchyroll or Daisuki...Shinobu in yukata was TOO DAMN CUTE. Didn't really get all of the explanation though. I think I need to rewatch Bake. |
Sep 2, 2013 4:22 AM
#105
MTBr said: i'm loving this arc and the Araragi x Shinobu moments but i miss Senjougahara ssjokg said: Phoenix6000 said: linchpin said: Does anyone know if Araragi will ever do anything more than patting Shinobu on the head? Just a nice gentle hug would be enough! Is it too much to expect? Well in Nisemonogatari she teases him by requesting he rub her chest. Also, according to the small spoilers I read, they skipped some of their bonding moments in this arc. Such as Araragi asking for a kiss (and Shinobu saying to wait 100 years). Saying they'll die together and spending three days traveling across Japan, acting like its a honeymoon. Patting her head is a bit significant in their relationship,as in showing his obedience to her Serious?if it's true, it's a shame that they didn't put in the anime Remember when Koyomi finished his business with Black Hanekawa in Neko Kuro and wanted to pat her?She was "mad" at him and started wearing that helmet.Way later she asked him to "wash" her hair in the bath scene of Nise. Well it is kinda difficult to put it in the anime since that anime obviously isnt even made yet. I still cant understand why didnt they made Kizu a short tv series.The only reason I cant think why they arent done with the movie yet is because they try to fit the story in a hour and a half, maybe 2 hours. azzuRe said: hpulley said: Grouchio said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell.At least 15-17 episodes remaining! They skipped a lot of stuff in Kabuki... I think BECAUSE they haven't done Kizu yet. They refer to her name, other characters in Kizu and it would make no sense to mention them here though they did confuse non-readers in Neko Shiro with Episode showing up. Next week is going to be super awesome! Actually I'm surprised they didn't go one chapter more this week but I guess that would leave too little. 57 pages left so hopefully they don't need to skip anything next week. This week was 86 pages, not as much as the previous week. They really messed up everything in this season by that missing Kizu arc. Maybe.I dont know since I cant read the novels like this .but I have to admit that the story is still very good.Well yeah it could be EVEN GREATER but what can you do.... |
Sep 2, 2013 7:31 AM
#107
Whether or not it is next, doing Shinobu Time before Kizu is ... kind of crazy again. |
Sep 2, 2013 9:36 AM
#108
It was an okay episode but overall I find this series pales next to the previous two. |
Sep 2, 2013 9:48 AM
#109
Sep 2, 2013 11:26 AM
#110
hpulley said: ihusmal1234 said: No, I'm not sure but I thought that while they are putting Hana after the rest of Second Season they would otherwise be doing Otorimonogatari next. Do you have a source that says they are doing Onimonogatari next instead? I don't have confirmation either way, I'm just going by the order of things on the official site.hpulley said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell. Wait, are you sure Nadeko Medusa is after Kabuki? I thought it was going to be Kabuki-->Shinobu Time-->Nadeko Medusa I believe Koimonogatari was the last to schedule being broadcasted so they might just go by the book order not the chronological order..... but that's just going to cause alot of confusion consider Onimonogatari is a direct sequel to Kabukimonogatari. Since they are skipping Hanamonogatari it seems that way. |
Sep 2, 2013 11:57 AM
#111
SalmonSandwich said: Indeed it is. Chapter 2 even says, "for details refer to Kabukimonogatari..." and later refers to the "Bakemonogatari Anime Complete Guide Book". I love how the novels reference themselves and even the drama CD...hpulley said: ihusmal1234 said: No, I'm not sure but I thought that while they are putting Hana after the rest of Second Season they would otherwise be doing Otorimonogatari next. Do you have a source that says they are doing Onimonogatari next instead? I don't have confirmation either way, I'm just going by the order of things on the official site.hpulley said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell. Wait, are you sure Nadeko Medusa is after Kabuki? I thought it was going to be Kabuki-->Shinobu Time-->Nadeko Medusa I believe Koimonogatari was the last to schedule being broadcasted so they might just go by the book order not the chronological order..... but that's just going to cause alot of confusion consider Onimonogatari is a direct sequel to Kabukimonogatari. Since they are skipping Hanamonogatari it seems that way. But in that case I would have expected SOMETHING on the official site to show that order but they still show Oni being after Otori. Lazy webmaster I guess. The Story pages still show Hana next and then Otori so perhaps they are just being sloppy. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/story/kabuki04.html The BD pages show Otori next. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/package/index.html Guess we'll know in two weeks or so. |
hpulleySep 2, 2013 12:02 PM
Sep 2, 2013 12:09 PM
#112
Best arc so far. I love this setting. I'd actually like to see a full anime like this, because an arc is not enough. Also, for some obvious reasons it reminded me I Am Legend. |
Sep 2, 2013 12:33 PM
#113
ssjokg said: MTBr said: I still cant understand why didnt they made Kizu a short tv series.The only reason I cant think why they arent done with the movie yet is because they try to fit the story in a hour and a half, maybe 2 hours. Simple economics, with a Movie they can make more $$$ since they get the box office revenue and later on the disc sales revenue (with a TV broadcast they only get the disc sale revenue). My theory is that if they rake enough $$$ from kizumonogatari they will also make a movie out of the ending fight from Nisemonogatari (which seems odd ends in a "To be continued"). Kizumonogatari is perfect because you do not need to be acquainted with the series because it is chapter 0, everything started when the girl that was bound to be called Shinobu and Araragi met. |
Sep 2, 2013 1:18 PM
#114
Wow... I wasn't expecting anything like this. I wonder how they are going to 'fix' the world. Akanezora said: Also, for some obvious reasons it reminded me I Am Legend. Yup, me too. |
Sep 2, 2013 1:43 PM
#115
mangamuscle said: ssjokg said: I still cant understand why didnt they made Kizu a short tv series.The only reason I cant think why they arent done with the movie yet is because they try to fit the story in a hour and a half, maybe 2 hours. Simple economics, with a Movie they can make more $$$ since they get the box office revenue and later on the disc sales revenue (with a TV broadcast they only get the disc sale revenue). My theory is that if they rake enough $$$ from kizumonogatari they will also make a movie out of the ending fight from Nisemonogatari (which seems odd ends in a "To be continued"). Kizumonogatari is perfect because you do not need to be acquainted with the series because it is chapter 0, everything started when the girl that was bound to be called Shinobu and Araragi met. The "to be continued" refers to this Nekomonogatari Kuro and the2nd season. Also the story did start in kizu but the char dev started with Bake. |
Sep 2, 2013 3:20 PM
#116
watch Bakemonogatari ep 14 and listen / read the conversation between Black Hanekawa and Araragi from the point where she jumps on to his bike and you will get a idea why Shinobu ran a way and how dense Araragi is and just a guess if Shinobu was in his shadow when Black Hanekawa killed him Hanekawa was Shinobu's first victim and i don't think she would of made her in to a vampire more like ripped her apart |
Hanekawa tried to stretch herself to the limits, after that her facial expression became resolute, and in that state she inserted her hands inside the hem of the pleated skirt of her uniform. I thought she would once again flip up her skirt for me, but, no matter what, Hanekawa didn't do such a thing devoid of logical connection. Instead she took off her panties. |
Sep 2, 2013 9:59 PM
#117
This arc keeps surprising me with each episode. So in this timeline, Koyomi is dead and Shinobu committed suicide and the people that she made her servant vampires turned into zombies. This all happened because Mayoi was able to stay alive, wow! Shinobu looks so cute in a yukata. That fireworks scene was great. :) That ending with all the zombies coming for them got me so hyped. xD 5/5 |
Sep 2, 2013 10:03 PM
#118
This is one thing I love about Kabukigatari, which is how it actually linked back to the previous story in the novel series. And even in this serious situation, we still get to see Shinobu looking cute and even having a fun time with Koyomi playing fireworks. And I love it when Koyomi said Shinobu, in her original form, is the "iron-blooded, hot-blooded and cold-blooded" Shinobu. It reads even better in its original Japanese. |
symbvSep 2, 2013 10:27 PM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Sep 2, 2013 10:50 PM
#119
hpulley said: SalmonSandwich said: Indeed it is. Chapter 2 even says, "for details refer to Kabukimonogatari..." and later refers to the "Bakemonogatari Anime Complete Guide Book". I love how the novels reference themselves and even the drama CD...hpulley said: ihusmal1234 said: No, I'm not sure but I thought that while they are putting Hana after the rest of Second Season they would otherwise be doing Otorimonogatari next. Do you have a source that says they are doing Onimonogatari next instead? I don't have confirmation either way, I'm just going by the order of things on the official site.hpulley said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell. Wait, are you sure Nadeko Medusa is after Kabuki? I thought it was going to be Kabuki-->Shinobu Time-->Nadeko Medusa I believe Koimonogatari was the last to schedule being broadcasted so they might just go by the book order not the chronological order..... but that's just going to cause alot of confusion consider Onimonogatari is a direct sequel to Kabukimonogatari. Since they are skipping Hanamonogatari it seems that way. But in that case I would have expected SOMETHING on the official site to show that order but they still show Oni being after Otori. Lazy webmaster I guess. The Story pages still show Hana next and then Otori so perhaps they are just being sloppy. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/story/kabuki04.html The BD pages show Otori next. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/package/index.html Guess we'll know in two weeks or so. I guess we'll find out soon enough. It'd make more sense if they do Shinobu first, since it happened during Neko Shiro. If they do Nadeko Medusa (which is pretty much after Neko Shiro/Shinobu Time) and go back to Shinobu Time, half the audience will probably get confused. And it doesn't help that most newcomers still don't know the timeline of the monogatari series overall. Personally I think the whole entire Second Season(anime) is sort of a mess because we don't have the important character development from Kizu. All the confused reactions from Episode's return in Shiro explains perfectly. |
Sep 2, 2013 11:21 PM
#120
Great episode. Loved all the ShinobuxKoyomi moments. I really love the master and servant relationship they have with each other. I feel there relationship goes beyond boyfriend/girlfriend. I want to see Kizumonogatari already. 5/5 for this episode. |
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Sep 3, 2013 2:18 AM
#121
Frontalbrise said: Damn Anti-Spirals! |
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Sep 3, 2013 3:55 AM
#122
ihusmal1234 said: Yeah, it is just seems weird that suddenly in second season they want to go for all out chronological order when they still haven't done the FIRST ONE, argh!!!! If they really wanted to go full chrono then they should have bucked up and put Kizu out before Second Season, ie. before Neku Kuro last year after Nise. But alas, unless they go back in time they can't fix that... and we now know how that might turn out...hpulley said: SalmonSandwich said: Indeed it is. Chapter 2 even says, "for details refer to Kabukimonogatari..." and later refers to the "Bakemonogatari Anime Complete Guide Book". I love how the novels reference themselves and even the drama CD...hpulley said: ihusmal1234 said: No, I'm not sure but I thought that while they are putting Hana after the rest of Second Season they would otherwise be doing Otorimonogatari next. Do you have a source that says they are doing Onimonogatari next instead? I don't have confirmation either way, I'm just going by the order of things on the official site.hpulley said: Just one left in Kabuki though, next weekend will wrap this one up. Then sadly it will likely be Summary Episode #2 after that... then Otorimonogatari "Nadeko Medusa". 4-5 episodes? Time will tell. Wait, are you sure Nadeko Medusa is after Kabuki? I thought it was going to be Kabuki-->Shinobu Time-->Nadeko Medusa I believe Koimonogatari was the last to schedule being broadcasted so they might just go by the book order not the chronological order..... but that's just going to cause alot of confusion consider Onimonogatari is a direct sequel to Kabukimonogatari. Since they are skipping Hanamonogatari it seems that way. But in that case I would have expected SOMETHING on the official site to show that order but they still show Oni being after Otori. Lazy webmaster I guess. The Story pages still show Hana next and then Otori so perhaps they are just being sloppy. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/story/kabuki04.html The BD pages show Otori next. http://www.monogatari-series.com/2ndseason/package/index.html Guess we'll know in two weeks or so. I guess we'll find out soon enough. It'd make more sense if they do Shinobu first, since it happened during Neko Shiro. If they do Nadeko Medusa (which is pretty much after Neko Shiro/Shinobu Time) and go back to Shinobu Time, half the audience will probably get confused. And it doesn't help that most newcomers still don't know the timeline of the monogatari series overall. Personally I think the whole entire Second Season(anime) is sort of a mess because we don't have the important character development from Kizu. All the confused reactions from Episode's return in Shiro explains perfectly. |
Sep 3, 2013 4:55 AM
#123
Love this episode it made me feel calm even though it wasnt hope this season has like 24 episode's í wont mind if it does |
Sep 3, 2013 6:04 AM
#124
kinkykatgirl said: watch Bakemonogatari ep 14 and listen / read the conversation between Black Hanekawa and Araragi from the point where she jumps on to his bike and you will get a idea why Shinobu ran a way and how dense Araragi is and just a guess if Shinobu was in his shadow when Black Hanekawa killed him Hanekawa was Shinobu's first victim and i don't think she would of made her in to a vampire more like ripped her apart Oh okay now I get it, cause I rewatched ep14-15 and didn't understood how "He found Shinobu" when he was still looking for her when he was with Black Hanekawa. I'm assuming Shinobu was always with him the entire time which is why Black Hanekawa wanted him in the shadows... Right? |
Sep 3, 2013 7:44 AM
#126
So, that's the famous destroyed world by Shinobu. Shinobu's reactions, MY HEART |
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Sep 6, 2013 1:15 AM
#128
Sep 6, 2013 1:25 AM
#129
Always-Hungry said: More like WITH Hachikuji (having survived) the world is no more LOLDamn. Without Hachikuji the world is no more :S |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Sep 6, 2013 5:06 AM
#130
Ghost93 said: kinkykatgirl said: watch Bakemonogatari ep 14 and listen / read the conversation between Black Hanekawa and Araragi from the point where she jumps on to his bike and you will get a idea why Shinobu ran a way and how dense Araragi is and just a guess if Shinobu was in his shadow when Black Hanekawa killed him Hanekawa was Shinobu's first victim and i don't think she would of made her in to a vampire more like ripped her apart Oh okay now I get it, cause I rewatched ep14-15 and didn't understood how "He found Shinobu" when he was still looking for her when he was with Black Hanekawa. I'm assuming Shinobu was always with him the entire time which is why Black Hanekawa wanted him in the shadows... Right? sort of right the way Araragi found Shinobu was asking her to save him and if im right in thinking she is the only one he's ever asked to save him at the start Shinobu was on her own but obviously she ended up in his shadow Black Hanekawa asked him what powers she had because she could not smell her Araragi kind of said on her own Shinobu just a kid and when she is near him she has power now because Black Hanekawa is Hanekawa she knows every think Hanekawa dose (Black Hanekawa a intelligent idiot) and so put 1 and 1 together and got 2 and realized Shinobu probably hiding as a shadow Black Hanekawa wanted to kill him (she tryed to in Nekomonogatari Kuro) she said stand directly under the street light so theres no shadow so safer for her to attack him but he questions her and backs away from the light so keeps his shadow and Shinobu at the same time now in the new time line im guessing he was not dating Senjougahara thus there was no one to kill Hanekawa in his mind if Black Hanekawa killed him so he could die for Hanekawa's sake (Araragi oblivious to Shinobu's feelings) now some think for you to think about a world with out Hachikuji old time line when Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hachikuji then Senjougahara go's to see Oshino and Hanekawa turn's up finds out he's there with Senjougahara and leves then Senjougahara comes back all 3 go to Hachikuji's mums house Araragi and Senjougahara start dating Kanbaru attacks him Araragi save's Kanbaru next Araragi and Kanbaru go the the shrine to place the seal and see Sengoku Araragi and Kanbaru save her new time line Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hanekawa turn's up now dose she walk up to them and talk to them or just hide in the shadow's and watch them ? dose Araragi and Senjougahara start dating ? if not will Kanbaru attack him and get saved by him ? if not dose Araragi go to the shrine on his own to place the seal and see Sengoku ? if not dose she die or turn in to a odditie ? is Oshino the one who placed the seal at the shrine and thats why it's one vampire's cant touch ? i guess in the next episode we may find some of it out |
kinkykatgirlSep 6, 2013 5:24 AM
Hanekawa tried to stretch herself to the limits, after that her facial expression became resolute, and in that state she inserted her hands inside the hem of the pleated skirt of her uniform. I thought she would once again flip up her skirt for me, but, no matter what, Hanekawa didn't do such a thing devoid of logical connection. Instead she took off her panties. |
Sep 6, 2013 6:33 PM
#132
kinkykatgirl said: Ghost93 said: kinkykatgirl said: watch Bakemonogatari ep 14 and listen / read the conversation between Black Hanekawa and Araragi from the point where she jumps on to his bike and you will get a idea why Shinobu ran a way and how dense Araragi is and just a guess if Shinobu was in his shadow when Black Hanekawa killed him Hanekawa was Shinobu's first victim and i don't think she would of made her in to a vampire more like ripped her apart Oh okay now I get it, cause I rewatched ep14-15 and didn't understood how "He found Shinobu" when he was still looking for her when he was with Black Hanekawa. I'm assuming Shinobu was always with him the entire time which is why Black Hanekawa wanted him in the shadows... Right? sort of right the way Araragi found Shinobu was asking her to save him and if im right in thinking she is the only one he's ever asked to save him at the start Shinobu was on her own but obviously she ended up in his shadow Black Hanekawa asked him what powers she had because she could not smell her Araragi kind of said on her own Shinobu just a kid and when she is near him she has power now because Black Hanekawa is Hanekawa she knows every think Hanekawa dose (Black Hanekawa a intelligent idiot) and so put 1 and 1 together and got 2 and realized Shinobu probably hiding as a shadow Black Hanekawa wanted to kill him (she tryed to in Nekomonogatari Kuro) she said stand directly under the street light so theres no shadow so safer for her to attack him but he questions her and backs away from the light so keeps his shadow and Shinobu at the same time now in the new time line im guessing he was not dating Senjougahara thus there was no one to kill Hanekawa in his mind if Black Hanekawa killed him so he could die for Hanekawa's sake (Araragi oblivious to Shinobu's feelings) now some think for you to think about a world with out Hachikuji old time line when Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hachikuji then Senjougahara go's to see Oshino and Hanekawa turn's up finds out he's there with Senjougahara and leves then Senjougahara comes back all 3 go to Hachikuji's mums house Araragi and Senjougahara start dating Kanbaru attacks him Araragi save's Kanbaru next Araragi and Kanbaru go the the shrine to place the seal and see Sengoku Araragi and Kanbaru save her new time line Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hanekawa turn's up now dose she walk up to them and talk to them or just hide in the shadow's and watch them ? dose Araragi and Senjougahara start dating ? if not will Kanbaru attack him and get saved by him ? if not dose Araragi go to the shrine on his own to place the seal and see Sengoku ? if not dose she die or turn in to a odditie ? is Oshino the one who placed the seal at the shrine and thats why it's one vampire's cant touch ? i guess in the next episode we may find some of it out ah somehow it makes all sense now o.o the replaced seal on the shrine, araragis death, followed by shinobu - no, heart under the blades attack on humans... now am still wondering how they going to revert it. i am thinking of 2 possibilties: 1. araragi travels back in time again, this time preventing himself saving hachiguki, leading to her death (probably realistic, but personally speaking this sounds pretty nasty to me) or 2. he travels to the alternative dimension where he did not save mayoi (if we think as each time travel/action leading to a split to a parallel universe, where the alternative ending is showed. he would basically travel to his own world back. i do not know whether shinobu has this kind of power) also there is probably an option of reverting those zombies back to humans, but i dont know wheter this is actually possible death of araragi and shinobu in this world seems not to be possible, since he is the MC and other following stories would probably make no sense EDIT: after thinking again, if araragi dont date gahara-san, does black hanekawa actually need to appear? i mean in the original timeline she only appeared because he is dating with gahara-san. but if she does appear, then he would date her, leading him meeting with kanbaru and sengoku. then the seal on the shrine would be placed by him, not by oshino, which is a contradiction. (we leave the possibiliy that oshino would ask someone else to place it on the shrine out, since we dont know anyone else who can possibly lead this role) only possible way to solve this paradoxon is the following the first possibility: he does not date gahara-san at this time but possibly later, leading to a shift in the timeline, to be said simply they start dating later (let say a few days or a week later), he meets with kanbaru and saves her; meanwhile oshino places the seal himself on the shrine BEFORE KANBARU WAS SAVED. because of the time shift of course they never met sengoku and black hanekawa would appear on the same day as in real timeline (because of some days buffer) because he is dating with gahara-san, kills hjm and leads to the event of turning the humanity into zombies or if we conclude that black hanekawa appears independently whether he would date gahara-san because of another stress-factor, in the end still killing him TL, DR: basically there are lots of paradoxons, my head is spinning now >_> i think ima gonig to sleep |
UrekSep 6, 2013 6:46 PM
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Sep 7, 2013 4:29 AM
#133
Urek said: kinkykatgirl said: Ghost93 said: kinkykatgirl said: watch Bakemonogatari ep 14 and listen / read the conversation between Black Hanekawa and Araragi from the point where she jumps on to his bike and you will get a idea why Shinobu ran a way and how dense Araragi is and just a guess if Shinobu was in his shadow when Black Hanekawa killed him Hanekawa was Shinobu's first victim and i don't think she would of made her in to a vampire more like ripped her apart Oh okay now I get it, cause I rewatched ep14-15 and didn't understood how "He found Shinobu" when he was still looking for her when he was with Black Hanekawa. I'm assuming Shinobu was always with him the entire time which is why Black Hanekawa wanted him in the shadows... Right? sort of right the way Araragi found Shinobu was asking her to save him and if im right in thinking she is the only one he's ever asked to save him at the start Shinobu was on her own but obviously she ended up in his shadow Black Hanekawa asked him what powers she had because she could not smell her Araragi kind of said on her own Shinobu just a kid and when she is near him she has power now because Black Hanekawa is Hanekawa she knows every think Hanekawa dose (Black Hanekawa a intelligent idiot) and so put 1 and 1 together and got 2 and realized Shinobu probably hiding as a shadow Black Hanekawa wanted to kill him (she tryed to in Nekomonogatari Kuro) she said stand directly under the street light so theres no shadow so safer for her to attack him but he questions her and backs away from the light so keeps his shadow and Shinobu at the same time now in the new time line im guessing he was not dating Senjougahara thus there was no one to kill Hanekawa in his mind if Black Hanekawa killed him so he could die for Hanekawa's sake (Araragi oblivious to Shinobu's feelings) now some think for you to think about a world with out Hachikuji old time line when Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hachikuji then Senjougahara go's to see Oshino and Hanekawa turn's up finds out he's there with Senjougahara and leves then Senjougahara comes back all 3 go to Hachikuji's mums house Araragi and Senjougahara start dating Kanbaru attacks him Araragi save's Kanbaru next Araragi and Kanbaru go the the shrine to place the seal and see Sengoku Araragi and Kanbaru save her new time line Araragi was in the park on mothers day he met Senjougahara and Hanekawa turn's up now dose she walk up to them and talk to them or just hide in the shadow's and watch them ? dose Araragi and Senjougahara start dating ? if not will Kanbaru attack him and get saved by him ? if not dose Araragi go to the shrine on his own to place the seal and see Sengoku ? if not dose she die or turn in to a odditie ? is Oshino the one who placed the seal at the shrine and thats why it's one vampire's cant touch ? i guess in the next episode we may find some of it out ah somehow it makes all sense now o.o the replaced seal on the shrine, araragis death, followed by shinobu - no, heart under the blades attack on humans... now am still wondering how they going to revert it. i am thinking of 2 possibilties: 1. araragi travels back in time again, this time preventing himself saving hachiguki, leading to her death (probably realistic, but personally speaking this sounds pretty nasty to me) or 2. he travels to the alternative dimension where he did not save mayoi (if we think as each time travel/action leading to a split to a parallel universe, where the alternative ending is showed. he would basically travel to his own world back. i do not know whether shinobu has this kind of power) also there is probably an option of reverting those zombies back to humans, but i dont know wheter this is actually possible death of araragi and shinobu in this world seems not to be possible, since he is the MC and other following stories would probably make no sense EDIT: after thinking again, if araragi dont date gahara-san, does black hanekawa actually need to appear? i mean in the original timeline she only appeared because he is dating with gahara-san. but if she does appear, then he would date her, leading him meeting with kanbaru and sengoku. then the seal on the shrine would be placed by him, not by oshino, which is a contradiction. (we leave the possibiliy that oshino would ask someone else to place it on the shrine out, since we dont know anyone else who can possibly lead this role) only possible way to solve this paradoxon is the following the first possibility: he does not date gahara-san at this time but possibly later, leading to a shift in the timeline, to be said simply they start dating later (let say a few days or a week later), he meets with kanbaru and saves her; meanwhile oshino places the seal himself on the shrine BEFORE KANBARU WAS SAVED. because of the time shift of course they never met sengoku and black hanekawa would appear on the same day as in real timeline (because of some days buffer) because he is dating with gahara-san, kills hjm and leads to the event of turning the humanity into zombies or if we conclude that black hanekawa appears independently whether he would date gahara-san because of another stress-factor, in the end still killing him TL, DR: basically there are lots of paradoxons, my head is spinning now >_> i think ima gonig to sleep allow me to mess with your head some more how Black Hanekawa could killed him 1. Araragi is dating Senjougahara ~ he did not question Black Hanekawa and did what she said and stood directly under the street light so he had no shadow thus no Shinobu and Black Hanekawa kills him Shinobu go's psycho 2. Araragi is dating the grown up Hachikuji ~ Hachikuji has fallen in love with the man who saved her life and guided her to reunited with her mother and cant stop thinking about him 1 day 11 year's later she is walking past the park on mothers day and spots Araragi a man who looks just like the person she fell in love with all those years ago she go's up to him and thay start talking so both Senjougahara and Hanekawa do not approach him that day just watch from the shadow's time moves on Araragi and Hachikuji start dating thus Black Hanekawa can turn up when it comes to who placed the seal at the shrine 1. Araragi and Kanbaru go to the shrine but Oshino asked Kanbaru to place it because Araragi could not touch it 2.Hachikuji gets involved with what Oshino and Araragi are doing and Hachikuji go's to the shrine to place the seal but any way we will find out soon :P |
Hanekawa tried to stretch herself to the limits, after that her facial expression became resolute, and in that state she inserted her hands inside the hem of the pleated skirt of her uniform. I thought she would once again flip up her skirt for me, but, no matter what, Hanekawa didn't do such a thing devoid of logical connection. Instead she took off her panties. |
Sep 12, 2013 8:15 PM
#134
if they prevent themselves from saving hachikuji, it would only create a new worldline. it doesn't help at all with the destroyed worldline. dat ending is the best possible way tough it's sad for them in the worldline T.T shinobu must really gone berserk when her power is back that araragi is died.. |
Sep 15, 2013 2:12 AM
#135
Koyomi's seemingly benign time-traveling adventures with Shinobu turned out to be one of the worst things that could happen. He and she both dropped the ball this time, all right. Not exactly a zombie apocalypse, but pretty damn close. Zombie-like former vampire servants. Damn, this was a development of epic proportions. Never expected to see something like this, but then again I never expected time travel either. I do have to say that was a pretty fireworks scene... with Shinobu in a pretty pink yukata! Also I finally saw Shinobu sprout vampire wings like vampires should. *cough* Remilia Scarlet *cough* Gotta love time-travel and/or time loop stories done right. The events of Bakemonogatari Tsubasa Cat arc in a nutshell, were THAT important huh? Especially the part where Koyomi needed Shinobu's help and why she was missing in the first place. I was half-expecting the living, and older Mayoi Hachikuji to show up as that one survivor they were waiting for, but I guess I'm wrong about that... |
Oct 6, 2013 6:36 AM
#136
I wonder how forgiving Araragi would of been if Shinobu wasn't a cute loli! ^_^ Great episode with some of the usual fantastic diologue. |
Oct 11, 2013 10:20 AM
#138
Instead of summoning a survivor, they summoned a world of zombies? I guess that should have been obvious. |
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Nov 6, 2013 4:12 AM
#139
Quick inject yourselves with fatal disease! :D I'm lovin' it |
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Dec 10, 2013 9:15 AM
#140
Shinobu in yukata 'nuff said...not actually. No joke the world was took over by degraded vampires which actually made zombies shit...so Shinobu destroyed the world in the end and there is no going back in the original present, wow this episode was full. Oh also have you noticed the Costco ( that felt wrong ). |
Dec 21, 2013 7:16 AM
#141
All Araragi wanted was some extra time to finish his summer homework. What a depressing turn of events. Which is not bad. Not in the least. Overall the show has been pretty good so far. And definitely better than its' predecessor, in every aspect. You can't even compare it to the waste of time Nisemonogatari has been. |
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Jan 2, 2014 10:16 PM
#142
I'm sure it's not going to happen, but I would honestly be satisfied if the rest of the series was just Araragi and Shinobu. Because i mean, in the long run, this would probably be how things end up anyway. As everyone else dies off, they'll be together forever unless something strange happens (and when does that ever happen in this series?) that alters their fates. :o Either way, good episode and I'm interested in where things are going to go from here. Kinda glad I let this series finish before completing it... I'd hate to wait for the next episode. >> |
Jan 4, 2014 8:41 PM
#143
Too deep.. I think I know why most of people don't like this anime But the stories it's great.. Only 1 thing bothered me so much Vampires without Vampire Lady/Lord become Zombie I think I saw the law of physics become a null xD SinDeLuXe said: All Araragi wanted was some extra time to finish his summer homework. Lol, there's no school.. So Banzai!! xD |
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Jan 18, 2014 12:19 PM
#144
Jan 21, 2014 10:54 PM
#145
-GiaN- said: Even though they say Shinobu destroyed the world because Araragi didnt find her, I'll just think she did it because he died lol She loves him. Shinobu ran from Araragi cuz of her jealousy in the first place, and from the sub i watched on, she said it was like half of her wing gets broken after Araragi died. (In Kizumonogatari she already invited Araragi to live as vampire eternally with her which he refused) So yeah, she grieved so hard after her foolish decision that makes Araragi gone forever, stopped caring about anything, and destroys the whole world. This shows when she did that mad laughter after she showed up, because Araragi and Shinobu (loli form) in front of her showed about a possibility about them existing together and made her realizes that she fucked up somewhere on the way by unable to get into that end. |
Jan 23, 2014 2:16 PM
#146
eminagnam said: Wow What a world! A bit reminded me of I AM Legend. |
Apr 1, 2014 5:08 AM
#148
i liked that explanation |
Apr 13, 2014 11:02 AM
#149
Woah, weridly, I was suspecting Shinobu would be the cause the world would have fallen - since she's pretty much the only one tht would be able to - but I couldn't get how and why she would have done it. But now it's all clear. About the episode himself, it was really great again, even if it lacked of Hachikuji!! :O Yeah, I know, it would have been too much random xD I didn't expected zombies - or vampire if you want - in Monogatari. It sure added a gloomy feeling. Shinobu was so cute and so sad at the same time. Made me wanted to cuddle her real hard :3 It was well explained how the world collapsed. Never thought that runaway would become relevant at one point, so I had completely forgot about it. Now how will they solve the mess? Araragi seem to have accepted his error and fate, but I can't believe that he will just stay living in that apocalypse tring to survive. It's Araragi after all and he still have to save Hanekawa with his ripped clothes :P |
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Apr 29, 2014 7:09 PM
#150
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