| I've actually been doing a lot of thought and research as to what anime is really defined as. Every time I see people define anime, they just claim it as a nickname for japanese animation. At this point, I don't feel that's really true. If anything, it's simply a style of animation and more importantly, a style of caricature. And not all Japanese animations that I have seen necesarily have that caricature/animation style. Here's a little food for thought. When an American kid/teenager draws seemingly anime characters in their sketchbook in and then shows it to their friends/classmates, some will say "so you like anime?" Others would say "is that off of DBZ/Naruto?" Since that amateur artist isn't an animator who doesn't work in Japan, then technically what he/she draws shouldn't be anime. So then why do their peers easily claim it is? There's this certain style of caricature and design most of us can easily tell what is anime and what isn't. One obvious way knowing what has the anime style are big, Bambi-like eyes, which were first created by Osamu Tezuka. We can tell how we see that style in Avatar, the Boondocks, and the French-animated show Totally Spies, despite none of them being Japanese animations. At the same time can tell how other styles like Genndy Tartakovsky's and Danny Antonucci's arent anime-like. There's also the sense of how animes are mostly animated. I read from a book at a Barnes & Noble yesterday about drawing anime and in the introduction, the aurhtor mentioned something interesting. He explained how American animators focus more on a simple yet definitive style for making fluid animations while Japanese animators often focus more on the quantity of the art and poses to mimic the manga they are adapting the anime from, and less on the quality of animation. I've actually seen certain examples of that in animes. Most of the Naruto episodes focus on adapting scenes exactly from the manga, but episodes that had Norio Matsumoto as a key animator would focus more on well-animated scenes, like the latest episode of Shippuden. Also because of the budget Japanese animators get, studios can't help but often use limited animations. Then there's the And as for animes being Japanese animations. Again not every anime I have seen has had the anime-looking style. The most recent example was the Japanese adaptation of Stitch. The character designs didn't seem to involve Bambi-sized eyes. In fact the character designs were simply mimicking the style Disney Originally used, only cheaper animations. And I personally can't say the same for Doraemon or Crayon Shin-Chan either. Another vague definition is how anime generally have better plots and stories than american animations. Other than American censorship being somewhat different compared to Japanese censorship, stories in american animations are just as capable at being good as Japanese animations are and the same can go for Japanese animations having as bad stories as American animations. HOW many animes have we seen with moe/harem plots without a solid ending, or a plot that drags ridiculously?! Does the phrase "ENDLESS EIGHT" ring any bells?! And come on, NO one has heard of Samurai Jack, Batman: the Animated series or the Justic League, Superman, Static Shockor Batman: Beyond series that followed?! NO one has heard of Gargoyles, X-Men: the animated series, or X-Men: Evolution?! And dear god, I will flip insanely if no one has heard of the Disney Rennaisance! |
HypeathonAug 21, 2009 5:03 PM
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Hypeathon said: If anything, it's simply a style of animation and more importantly, a style of caricature. And not all Japanese animations that I have seen necesarily have that caricature/animation style. Quoted for Emphasis |
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KyuuA4 said: Hypeathon said: If anything, it's simply a style of animation and more importantly, a style of caricature. And not all Japanese animations that I have seen necesarily have that caricature/animation style. Quoted for Emphasis LOL Holy crap, thanks! No one has ever quoted anything I said on the internet before, no matter how much depth I put into it. I'm truely honored dude! |
Hypeathon said: Another vague definition is how anime generally have better plots and stories than american animations. Other than American censorship being somewhat different compared to Japanese censorship, stories in american animations are just as capable at being good as Japanese animations are and the same can go for Japanese animations having as bad stories as American animations. HOW many animes have we seen with moe/harem plots without a solid ending, or a plot that drags ridiculously?! Does the phrase "ENDLESS EIGHT" ring any bells?! And come on, NO one has heard of Samurai Jack, Batman: the Animated series or the Justic League, Superman, Static Shockor Batman: Beyond series that followed?! NO one has heard of Gargoyles, X-Men: the animated series, or X-Men: Evolution?! And dear god, I will flip insanely if no one has heard of the Disney Rennaisance! Ah yes. The Story Element. I'll add on to this. Stories told in anime has NO BEARING in determining whether it is anime or not. EVERY genre you find in anime -- you will find it in other medium. Romance. Comedy. Action. All of that existed long before anime did. Even mecha. Hentai? That's porn. In the case of mecha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man I argue that Iron Man (movie) is a mecha. It features a character who "pilots" a mechanized suit -- dare I say -- a robot. Done. It's a mecha. Those who boast anime's "long plotlines". Theoretically, a story like Hero or Desperate Housewives can be converted into anime form. Do we want to? Hero maybe. Sadly, I failed to follow Hero because I missed so many episodes. :( Futurama. Even though its episodes can be viewed as episodic -- there are hidden and long plotlines within that series. Fry's timeline. Fry's relation with Leela. Earth's civilization in the year 3000. And so on. Does any anime story have to be Japanese? Or set in Japan? Then explain the series that don't. === Case in point. Determining whether something is anime or not -- it is purely visual. It's the visual style that sets it apart. |
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KyuuA4 said: Ah yes. The Story Element. I'll add on to this. Stories told in anime has NO BEARING in determining whether it is anime or not. EVERY genre you find in anime -- you will find it in other medium. Romance. Comedy. Action. All of that existed long before anime did. Even mecha. Hentai? That's porn. In the case of mecha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man I argue that Iron Man (movie) is a mecha. It features a character who "pilots" a mechanized suit -- dare I say -- a robot. Done. It's a mecha. Those who boast anime's "long plotlines". Theoretically, a story like Hero or Desperate Housewives can be converted into anime form. Do we want to? Hero maybe. Sadly, I failed to follow Hero because I missed so many episodes. :( Futurama. Even though its episodes can be viewed as episodic -- there are hidden and long plotlines within that series. Fry's timeline. Fry's relation with Leela. Earth's civilization in the year 3000. And so on. Does any anime story have to be Japanese? Or set in Japan? Then explain the series that don't. === Case in point. Determining whether something is anime or not -- it is purely visual. It's the visual style that sets it apart. Okay you had me sold dude. I'm gonna send a friends request right now! |
ShadowbladeEdge said: KyuuA4 said: I don't feel like arguing the main point of this thread anymore, because I'm so close to flying into a rage, so don't press me on it. However Iron Man isn't mecha, because he's in a powersuit not a mech.In the case of mecha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man I argue that Iron Man (movie) is a mecha. It features a character who "pilots" a mechanized suit -- dare I say -- a robot. Done. It's a mecha. Does a mech have to be giant? No. Just look at Code Geass or even Gundam 0083. Do mechs operate independently? Some do. Cite Eva Unit 00. But most of them are human operated. Whether that mech be the giant size variety or near human sized. That makes no difference. A mech is a mech. On this note - are the Transformers mechs? Most definitely. Even though they're sentient. They're big giant robots. powersuit Is that the American word for mech? XD |
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StrangeBlackCat said: Most animes are a bit more realistic looking and have story's/plots/whatever that they follow. while most cartoons look like this or this and are merely episodic and feature their characters doing random shit to entertain you. Anime in general is alot different then cartoons in general The only thing they share is that they are animated. So what does that make "cartoons" such as this: or this: or this: or this: |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: No, alive, not mechs.. Eva Unit 00 was alive. Still a mech. CUNTDESTROYER666 said: American name for cartoon= cartoon Asian name for cartoon =anime anime=cartoon Y'know? Cartoon dropped out of my vocabulary. For now, I either use anime or animation. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: KyuuA4 said: No they're creatures of flesh an blood, basically, covered in armor. That's like saying an armored horse is a mech.Eva Unit 00 was alive. Still a mech. Feel free to tell an Anime Moderator then to strike Evangelion out of the Mecha genre. :p |
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| This has been argued before...many times already. I still think that the style of art is the concept of anime itself...who made it doesn't matter that much. Anime originates from Japan but it's only natural that other countries will adopt something from others. |
| what a heated discussion.....too bad i have nothing to add to it. |
| I want to quote that ADV commercial because of it's ridiculousness "Anime is NOT kids stuff". |
KanjiiZ said: I want to quote that ADV commercial because of it's ridiculousness "Anime is NOT kids stuff". Here's a little something for you: |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: KyuuA4 said: Well firstly I'm lazy for all that and even if the Mod agreed with me how many of the 50000 people that watched it do you think will agree with me? Hint: very few. Dorama ensues. So I might.Feel free to tell an Anime Moderator then to strike Evangelion out of the Mecha genre. :p Mecha is defined as giant robot with a cockpit, but mechs can also be part organic, while Eva units are mostly organic atleast 40% of them is cybernetic and Evas are manufactured, just because they are covered in flesh doesn't make them living. And they are piloted. So they are infact mecha, transformers are also mecha cause they can be piloted (in vehicale form anyways). Being sentiante has nothing to do with it. Also transformers are made not born. Also powers suits are not considered mecha because they are not large and they don't have a cockpit. Also robots mimic what the pilot commands it to do, while power armor enhances movement. That's the disconnect. |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: Now I'm not a Transformer fan or anything but, it's my understanding that while their bodies are made they only come to life life when their given a soul, a piece of the all spark. And the pilot why in vehicle form is pretty irreverent, because they're not giant robots at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transformers_(TV_series) Here's a funny example. This is the same series that many of us older folk had watched back in the 1980's. It is not considered an anime, yet original designs came from Japanese designer Shōhei Kohara. On top of that, Toei was involved. Of course, by this point, Toei hasn't cashed in on Sailor Moon yet. |
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| lol the Name of that Yellow Robot is Bumblebee. |
| Alright, what is and isn't a mecha is kinda getting off topic here... But it's interesting to see what different people's opinions are. I think what it comes down to is that anime is too 'new' to the West. Once it becomes popular enough that non-Japanese companies begin producing anime (as anime), that's when it'll become clear(er). Okawano said: ... Yeah, figures. You're not from the US, so you wouldn't know.lol the Name of that Yellow Robot is Bumblebee. |
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Okawano said: lol the Name of that Yellow Robot is Bumblebee. (Random AMV) XD |
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ShadowbladeEdge said: JadeMatrix said: THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF! IT COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE SOME DAY!Alright, what is and isn't a mecha is kinda getting off topic here... Then why can't you just make another thread about this? Or better yet, just private message KyuuA4 about this? |
Sylpheed said: This has been argued before...many times already. I still think that the style of art is the concept of anime itself...who made it doesn't matter that much. Anime originates from Japan but it's only natural that other countries will adopt something from others. Right, exactly! I would just like to add to your statement that just as how there are different styles of creating characters (anime being one of them) there are different styles in every other art of field, and the name of the style stays no matter what country uses it. Kendo is a style of martial art that originated in Japan, yet Kendo is used in many other countries too, including America! *laughes* And guess what, the Americans call it Kendo all the same too! The same goes for different styles of paintig, cooking, fashion, water sports, music, etc. And if anyone is capable of learning the recipes/techniques, then there shouldn't be patent for it, to make it exclusive to a single country. It woudn't be a style otherwise. |
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