VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

ename144 said:

As I tried to explain to you, the DIKs weren't in the dark (as far as they knew). What was the rush to discuss something the DIKs already know? The HOTs changing plans might be a bummer, but there would be plenty of other opportunities to party with the DIKs. It only became a disaster because Quinn ducked out of warning the DIKs, and we know Quinn kept that part a secret.

And that's assuming the HOTs knew they were originally going to be at the DIKs; Heather clearly did not know that.
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I agree that Elena would probably have learned about the Hell Week plans from John Boy if nothing else, but again, there was no pressing need to discuss the disappointing news right then. You say the girls must have had some warning since they had to get dressed, but they already knew they were going to a party and it's not like they changed to clothes especially suited to the prep party. It's likely they really did learn at the last minute since Quinn wanted to keep this quiet.

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So I replayed the whole part of the game, to be sure.

As I tried to explain to you, it doesn't make sense, that no one knew anything until late at night.

As I replayed the chapter I noticed some things and will correct my statements now.

1. The girls didn't need to dress fancy (I just remembered Maya and Josy) they were all in HoT's uniforms (except for daughters).

2. There is no way you can deny Quinn's fault here, she was the operator behind everything, tho Sage still to blame for the omission.
My main point was that this whole radio silent thing that caused all this commotion was contrived since these people live on their phones. Notice how Josy still had her phone. And I will not back out of Elena just not talking with John-boy as even the game realizes this hole, but acknowledging doesn't change its existence.

Btw, as I replayed I noticed how red Riona's eyes always are (yes, I didn't notice before), damn girl you need to lay off the weed.

Niu6609 said:

You fucking better bet she has a role in the game. Her role is for me to fuck her so I can finally get all the 101 scenes to quell my completionist side

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For sex, I find it very expensive, but it is worth it
Man, to get a bj , I have to pay 4 dollars, what do I pay when I sleep with her then
This makes sense. In episode 7, you update the wallet. I think, my friend, that you will reach the viewer, but make your wallet full of money

zizo10z said:

Allow me to join you in the discussion
I only have one question why at this time the mother's diary, clothes and money were sent
Isn't everything related to the mother supposed to be in the husband's hands since the mother's death and he keeps it until his son grows up and gives it to him

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Yea i know that , but in the end, the mother's belongings were sent, and of course they knew that their daughter had a son, and of course they knew that she died after she gave birth to the baby.

you know what , It was a misplaced question because it would bring more questions than answers

EmperorGus said:

The problem we run into when we hang out on the forums (too much? ) discussing a piece of writing is that we run out of big things to talk about. Then we start nit-picking little things and, maybe, reading too much into it when it doesn't line up with reality.

Reminder: Suspension of disbelief.

LoDoN,
You're absolutely correct that in reality there's almost zero chance one of the girl-friends wouldn't have mentioned it to their DIK boyfriend. Or any of that HOTs wouldn't have said something on social media.
But the B&R campus is a work of fiction.
We apply 'suspension of disbelief', accept that this is the way it happened because that's the way the author said it happened.

If DPC were to try and write it to line up with reality it would A) bore you to death, and B) make 'War and Peace' look like a light read.

We should discuss our theories of character motivations, where the story is going, what we don't exactly like about the story, etc, etc. to our hearts content.

But when you catch yourself nit-picking details, remind yourself of those 3 words. 'Suspension of disbelief'


PS.
On the topic of suspension of disbelief...
Why doesn't anyone complain about the MC being hung such that it'd make porn stars jealous?
Where's the complaints that:
"Hey! That guy is short and most short guys have short cocks! It's not real enough!
I want to play a short MC that a realistically small dick!!!"

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Ok, this one got me mad, not gonna lie, had to calm myself down before answering.

This will depend on what you consider Nit-picking. I don't consider constructive criticism as nit-picking. I'm not going DavDR and saying the story is trash.

I'm merely pointing out how this entire exchange made no sense in the setting of the story. As you mention "suspension of disbelief" is applied when the audience feels inserted in the world of the story, hence you can not simply utilize it to disregard the complete void of interactions between characters for the sake of this little subplot to happen.

I hate when people try to dismiss you with the "lol you cared what a loser!". As in my previous comment, I realize I was misremembering things and corrected myself after a playthrough of the events. But my overall thought remains, in the previously established lore of this story there is no way the HoT's would go party with the preps with no one finding out, Elena not talking to John-Boy, Josy not calling the MC (she is seen with her cellphone at the party).

Once the rules of the story are broken suspension of disbelief goes out the window, just think 'The Last Jedi', that dumpster-fire, SW had a previously set of rules applied to it, we assumed that Space work normally, but according to the Last Jedi, Space has gravity. Luke is not the saviour, Leia has superpowers, etc... If you look at it as an independent movie, it looks like a Sci-fy Michael Bay flick, but if you look at it understanding the rules of the overarching story it becomes garbage.

As I previously pointed out in many statements, the story is not perfect, but it is really good. The game is vanilla so what keeps us here ain't the kinks, it's the characters, so when they act differently from what the story would dictate them to act it will feel like a contrivance, that will go according to the type of writer that is making the story, some like to just drop their characters and see where the story goes, others like to make their characters for specific actions, the narrator vs the architect.

And again, at the end of things what changed in the overall story? Nothing. The Dik's go back to the HoT's (I mean they are Hot so can't blame them), Tommy goes back to Quinn (coz he is a drug addict and she is his dealer). You could say that it served to make the protagonist take a bigger part of the responsibility in the fraternity, and instill distrust among the DiK's in Tommy's leadership. But that will remain to be seen, and if this quick rupture that happens in chapter 5 doesn't lead anywhere we would be staring at a Chekov's gun (A completely useless story element that just serves for the author to shoot himself in the foot). It was a good excuse for the MC to have exclusive use of the whole HoT corps tho, that I will recognize.

Tl;dr: I'm not saying the story sucks, but if you just clap and cheer people won't ever get better at what they do. Contrivances matter to keep the story congealed and although I care, it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the VN.

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zizo10z said:

Yea i know that , but in the end, the mother's belongings were sent, and of course they knew that their daughter had a son, and of course they knew that she died after she gave birth to the baby.

you know what , It was a misplaced question because it would bring more questions than answers

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That's exactly what makes that game good, always more questions than answers !!
And that's why there are 6990 pages here with people trying to imagine and guess what's it's all about.

RobertDe said:

Is it just me or does some else finds Elena attractive and wants to have sex with her.... I am so sorry Brother John-Boy

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（*゜ー゜*）

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Wouldn't mind a devil's threeway with her (sharing).

zizo10z said:

Allow me to join you in the discussion
I only have one question why at this time the mother's diary, clothes and money were sent
Isn't everything related to the mother supposed to be in the husband's hands since the mother's death and he keeps it until his son grows up and gives it to him

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It was all sent to Neil's address. If you now take one and one together, someone third knows the MC and Neil.

So now it gets kinky.
I believe that Sage was the Madame of the Hot's until the end of EP7.

Look closely at the reflection of the anal plug. You will recognize Sage, in completely black clothes. To her left is someone. At first I thought it was the MC, but he would be the same size as Sage. But when I look at the other things in the drawer, I have a suspicion.

A brown MR Diddly. A magazine about trends. On the right edge of the magazine it says "Date The Boys!". Birth control pills. And some kind of gel. Of course, we also notice the MC sized dildo that can be attached to the wall, like we saw Arieth do in EP7.

Remember the Rhiona/Quinn/MC threesome. There it looked like Quinn was training Rhinao to swallow the MC cock.

Sage was able to slide the MC cock down his throat just fine. In EP5, during the 69 position with Josy, the MC thinks to himself if Josy could learn to do that. At the end of EP7 Josy is wearing all black clothes.

What if Josy asked Sage for help to make MC happy. Sex Training.

I came some time ago a thought that the side girls are actually only there to find out what the MC likes. Later, when the MC has decided for one or more LI's, these are trained to please the MC or to become a partner for the MC. There are different teachers for this. The main subjects are clear. But in secret the minor subjects are interesting.
Cathy = SM
Jade = role play
Isabella = etiquette
Sage = passion
Quinn = Submissiveness

But the MC is tested the same way. Whether he has his aggressiveness under control and that that was just self-disguise in school. His management skills in rebuilding the DIK Mansion. Judgment and/or whether he has the tendency to criminality. Honesty.

Kukipett said:

That's exactly what makes that game good, always more questions than answers !!
And that's why there are 6990 pages here with people trying to imagine and guess what's it's all about.

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Yea , since the dev doesn't give any answers yet for anything, it just gives you what you want to know, and that's what I love about the dev making you think of more possibilities until you find yourself wrong on all your guesses

and that's what makes the game successful , Because the dev is manipulating us , Like manipulating the characters in the game

dalli_x said:

It was all sent to Neil's address. If you now take one and one together, someone third knows the MC and Neil.

So now it gets kinky.
I believe that Sage was the Madame of the Hot's until the end of EP7.

Look closely at the reflection of the anal plug. You will recognize Sage, in completely black clothes. To her left is someone. At first I thought it was the MC, but he would be the same size as Sage. But when I look at the other things in the drawer, I have a suspicion.

A brown MR Diddly. A magazine about trends. On the right edge of the magazine it says "Date The Boys!". Birth control pills. And some kind of gel. Of course, we also notice the MC sized dildo that can be attached to the wall, like we saw Arieth do in EP7.

Remember the Rhiona/Quinn/MC threesome. There it looked like Quinn was training Rhinao to swallow the MC cock.

Sage was able to slide the MC cock down his throat just fine. In EP5, during the 69 position with Josy, the MC thinks to himself if Josy could learn to do that. At the end of EP7 Josy is wearing all black clothes.

What if Josy asked Sage for help to make MC happy. Sex Training.

I came some time ago a thought that the side girls are actually only there to find out what the MC likes. Later, when the MC has decided for one or more LI's, these are trained to please the MC or to become a partner for the MC. There are different teachers for this. The main subjects are clear. But in secret the minor subjects are interesting.
Cathy = SM
Jade = role play
Isabella = etiquette
Sage = passion
Quinn = Submissiveness

But the MC is tested the same way. Whether he has his aggressiveness under control and that that was just self-disguise in school. His management skills in rebuilding the DIK Mansion. Judgment and/or whether he has the tendency to criminality. Honesty.

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I always like your theories and the intense focus on pictures and drawing some conclusions. I don't say that most of them are correct, but at least you work hard and focus well and try to connect things together.

And as you mentioned that there is a third person helping them, but I exclude Sage from the picture or all the main characters. The third person we are talking about has not appeared yet.

dalli_x said:

It was all sent to Neil's address. If you now take one and one together, someone third knows the MC and Neil.

So now it gets kinky.
I believe that Sage was the Madame of the Hot's until the end of EP7.

Look closely at the reflection of the anal plug. You will recognize Sage, in completely black clothes. To her left is someone. At first I thought it was the MC, but he would be the same size as Sage. But when I look at the other things in the drawer, I have a suspicion.

A brown MR Diddly. A magazine about trends. On the right edge of the magazine it says "Date The Boys!". Birth control pills. And some kind of gel. Of course, we also notice the MC sized dildo that can be attached to the wall, like we saw Arieth do in EP7.

Remember the Rhiona/Quinn/MC threesome. There it looked like Quinn was training Rhinao to swallow the MC cock.

Sage was able to slide the MC cock down his throat just fine. In EP5, during the 69 position with Josy, the MC thinks to himself if Josy could learn to do that. At the end of EP7 Josy is wearing all black clothes.

What if Josy asked Sage for help to make MC happy. Sex Training.

I came some time ago a thought that the side girls are actually only there to find out what the MC likes. Later, when the MC has decided for one or more LI's, these are trained to please the MC or to become a partner for the MC. There are different teachers for this. The main subjects are clear. But in secret the minor subjects are interesting.
Cathy = SM
Jade = role play
Isabella = etiquette
Sage = passion
Quinn = Submissiveness

But the MC is tested the same way. Whether he has his aggressiveness under control and that that was just self-disguise in school. His management skills in rebuilding the DIK Mansion. Judgment and/or whether he has the tendency to criminality. Honesty.

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During the Chapter 5 Prep party, Sage explicitly tells the MC he is bigger than SOME toys she owns... So Sage either has a horse-cock dildo, some huge bad dragon dildo, or one those massive BBC dildos, don't forget about them, just coz they aren't in frame.

The Pink Royce
5 years ago I promised I was going to find the scene where Maya confirms that Josy had the tongue piercing idea, and backed out after Maya got her tongue piercing, well I found it!

zizo10z said:

I always like your theories and the intense focus on pictures and drawing some conclusions. I don't say that most of them are correct, but at least you work hard and focus well and try to connect things together.

And as you mentioned that there is a third person helping them, but I exclude Sage from the picture or all the main characters. The third person we are talking about has not appeared yet.

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The third person from the MC's school review cannot be Sage. I suspect that it is Isabella. Neil and Isabella have the same favorite song.

LoDoN- said:

During the Chapter 5 Prep party, Sage explicitly tells the MC he is bigger than SOME toys she owns... So Sage either has a horse-cock dildo, some huge bad dragon dildo, or one those massive BBC dildos, don't forget about them, just coz they aren't in frame.

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The Pink Royce
5 years ago I promised I was going to find the scene where Maya confirms that Josy had the tongue piercing idea, and backed out after Maya got her tongue piercing, well I found it!

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The funny thing is that Maya and Sage have the same belly button piercing. I think Quinn has the same one too.

dalli_x said:

The third person from the MC's school review cannot be Sage. I suspect that it is Isabella. Neil and Isabella have the same favorite song.

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Yes, this is also possible, and it may just be a coincidence

But I can propose a person and I know that this person is impossible for anyone to agree to
This person is the girlfriend of Mc, Zoe

i most important thing to focus on is not the current events, but the memories

A lot of memories make reality possible that she is not a passing character in MC's life
It's the first experience with everything sex, drinking, sports and feelings since childhood until they grew up together

Do you think this story is closed like this?

LoDoN- said:

During the Chapter 5 Prep party, Sage explicitly tells the MC he is bigger than SOME toys she owns... So Sage either has a horse-cock dildo, some huge bad dragon dildo, or one those massive BBC dildos, don't forget about them, just coz they aren't in frame.

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The Pink Royce
5 years ago I promised I was going to find the scene where Maya confirms that Josy had the tongue piercing idea, and backed out after Maya got her tongue piercing, well I found it!

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sages butt is so cute .
anyway , yeah i remember , sounds like you're right they didnt do it themselves and went to the shop
"getting one" implies that

Oh, I just realized something, since this game is college theme and Dpc is writin which probably means he can add suicide as a tragic event for his game

Lovetities said:

Oh, I just realized something, since this game is college theme and Dpc is writin which probably means he can add suicide as a tragic event for his game

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This is for sure. There will be one character who will commit suicide, and most likely the cause of suicide will be treason, excessive drug use, or premeditated murder because of sex.

Lots of sex and easy access to it makes it kinda fishy

RobertDe said:

FYI, The impressive photoshop is done by DPC himself Seems like you didn't notice.....

MC asks Maya in either ep2 or 3 whether is she sure of the tuition thing, She has doubts at that time. During the swimming pool scene, Quinn asks the daughters whether they have heard about the rumor regarding tuition to which they all reply yes. Quinn continues saying that some HoT member can't keep her mouth shut. She asks if all of them are ready to pledge, to which Camila responds yes, Mona responds free tuition, sign me up and finally Maya responds yes as well.

Now if the other two agreed, surely they would have also heard and maybe confirmed about it, but SURELY, they might have not done it. Maya had a small hope of getting this tuition and seeing Quinn say like that ,neither agreeing nor denying and other girls trusting it as well, her hope became big.

The worst thing is that none of the other sisters said about it or denied the fact or interrupted Quinn. Sarah and Mel were there as well and If I am not wrong some other HoT's as well, why didn't they denied the rumor regarding tuition? were they deaf? Neither the other sisters said anything about it. This is why I believe that Maya trusted Quinn's word.



She had trust in her father earlier, after the fuck up, her trust might have decreased a lot but hasn't disappeared. She believes that her father will not fuck up anymore since he has already done a lot. And maybe he might not fuck situation anymore.

Maya trusting Quinn's word, I explained it above.

One is a father, one is a girl , something Maya has experienced. MC is a boy, Maya has never been intimate with a boy before, Derek is her brother...Several times she has thoughts like "this is my first time with a guy, this guy is making me feel happy", And at one point Maya starts to fall for MC. It's been a month approx. , would you expect Maya to tell MC all about her years and problems? Trusting a person and a word are 2 different things. Deep Trust in someone does not build within a month.

Surely, Maya already has sex with MC, has fun with MC, is in relation with MC but still it's like one step at a time for her. I expect her to tell everything to MC in ep8 considering their relation grew stronger in ep7, bcuz of Josy or Maya choices.

And maybe this is the reason why MJ path gets blocked if you go Quinn's path. IF a DIK MC knows about Maya's complications, there are chances he would spill it to Quinn, and then classic Quinn fucks Maya's life more.

I Honestly wish that this loan fuck up gets over in ep8, and Maya lives a happy life with a big smile on her face. I do not wish her to remain sad and depressed.

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Maya talks to MC about her loan problem as soon as she meets him, then freezes immediately after, because, rightly, they've just met.

From then on she involves him more and more in the free tuition issue.

The fact that Maya is gay, that her father is an asshole, count for nothing in this. Maya trusts MC enough to ask him for help with Quinn right after the griding, she trusts him enough to believe him about Quinn, she trusts him enough to accept his help for the scavenger hunt (a scene that cynically seen from the outside looks like a last ditch attempt by Mc to get laid), but she never trusts him enough to be crystal clear on the matter

Maya is someone who has secrets, who if she knows things doesn't share them except when it's too late. I don't even consider that a flaw, it's the way DPC writes her.

the episode of the keys to the room is in my opinion incredible, one of those obvious forcings to the suspension of disbelief we talk about. Maya knows that her father has the keys to her room but she doesn't warn anyone (at least that we know of, maybe she told Josy? I don't think so, but in that case it doesn't matter, we have two idiots instead of one) she relies on him or Derek (who she should tell her father anyway) to warn her in time

level of safety: crossing the street at night with eyes closed

now what will she have told Sage? half of half of the things she would need to know to help her

zizo10z said:

Yes, this is also possible, and it may just be a coincidence

But I can propose a person and I know that this person is impossible for anyone to agree to
This person is the girlfriend of Mc, Zoe

i most important thing to focus on is not the current events, but the memories

A lot of memories make reality possible that she is not a passing character in MC's life
It's the first experience with everything sex, drinking, sports and feelings since childhood until they grew up together

Do you think this story is closed like this?

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I have a definite premonition. But whether it is true I do not know. Nick writes the MC that he would like to swap places with him, that the MC also comes to the Pink Rose. I could imagine that he might meet people there that we have not seen yet. Vinny, Zoey. Maybe he also meets Mona. Or Josy and Maya make the MC a birthday present, which I personally would find doubtful, because I don't want that. A very crazy idea is that the MC gets in the middle of a police raid.

But Zoey shows up for spring break at the latest.

the last update was awesome ! i hope no Dark drama at the End .