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Nov 17, 2017 7:36 PM
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I'm just gonna say this thread might be a terrible idea and it's pretty late and I'm tired. Anyway I kinda feel like from a moral standpoint most people would consider murder more permissible than rape. soldiers and bounty hunters/hitmen essentially get paid to murder ppl... theres no one getting paid to go out and rape ppl... unless you're into some weird shit. We often watch shows, anime, movies etc. with tonnes of murder... but rape is pretty rare to find and even including it in media where it makes sense like GoT for example, you get tonnes of backlash from ppl.

In many cases people can be murderers and still be heroes like revolutionaries. You can even excuse someone murdering someone... if it was to prevent a rape. Just like logic-wise though idk if that makes sense. If you murder someone... they're done. No chance to build up their life again, no hope, no future, they're just gone. Someone can get raped and still have a good life though, theres therapy and shit and some people even suppress the memories or convince themselves it wasn't that bad. Let's not even talk about the weird semantics of rape... You have this idea of some old ass Bill Cosby type nigga drugging young girls with quaaludes and having his way when they're unconscious or some masked stranger breaking into your house and raping you at knife point. While most of it is just regret over poor decisions made while drunk or on other mind-altering drugs that are taken voluntarily and often with people you know.

Really the difference between rape and sex is just one thing... the word no. Theres such a huge disparity between those 2 things too. Sex is like... one of the best things ever. Like you're shamed for being a virgin and its seen as like your biological function as a living creature, cause its supposed to be linked to reproduction... not so much these days with protection and birth control and all that though. Rape on the other hand is a horrible fucking thing that most people wouldn't wish on their worst enemies. Its such a bizarre contrast... like murder is just murder, doesn't matter if you consent or w.e like once you're dead its done. Theres no coming back. Theres not much morality or nuance to it... I guess unless you're talking suicide or euthanasia.

So yeah this was kind of rambly and w.e, but just wanted to get my thoughts on there. So do you think rape is worse than murder? Am I overthinking all this shit...? If you ask someone to rape you is it still rape?

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Nov 17, 2017 7:42 PM
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No, it's not.

It's not worse than your house burning down, and it's not worse than a close friend or family member dying of cancer either.

Nov 17, 2017 8:08 PM
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I mean, if we're talking about the morality of the person committing the crime, some people murder in self-defense. I doubt people rape in self-defense.
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Nov 17, 2017 8:15 PM
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Rape is more sickening, but murder is the supreme sin in my book. Sometimes an individual has to commit the supreme sin to prevent further sins... which makes life all the more complex.
Nov 17, 2017 8:22 PM
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Murder can sometimes happen in scenerios where it can be argued to be justified. It's impossible to lump all cases of killing into one and compare it to rape.

That said, there is no case where rape is justified. None. These people should be locked up for life (if deemed mentally unstable) or killed (anyone sane who did it intentionally).

A lot of things are relative. If the victim is a criminal, does it make it less a crime? If done in revenge, is it less a crime? Nothing is concrete.
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Nov 17, 2017 8:49 PM
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I think OP meant was if both deeds are done simply out of [don't know what to call it] and how it is from the victim's perspective (real answer to which you can only get from a real victim).

That being said, victim's life is, in most cases, ruined. But the thing is, no matter how long it takes, they do recover. Live normally and die normally.

But what about the victim who was murdered. He can't recover. Once the deed is done, they're done.

So yeah, murder is a greater crime (or sin, if you wanna call it that) in my eyes and everyone else.


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Nov 17, 2017 8:58 PM
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The real question is why is it more acceptable to joke about murder than rape.
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Andrei_Rublev said:
The real question is why is it more acceptable to joke about murder than rape.


You can't spin rape into a good thing. Murder leaves permanent scars and it won't fix anything.*************** I fucked up here I Ment that rape leaves permanent scars and can't fix anything. Murder, on the other hand, is a respected profession.

You could argue that some people deserve to die and we have armies for that.
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Nov 17, 2017 9:11 PM

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Tapertrain said:
Andrei_Rublev said:
The real question is why is it more acceptable to joke about murder than rape.


You can't spin rape into a good thing. Murder leaves permanent scars and it won't fix anything.

You could argue that some people deserve to die and we have armies for that.


Yeah but you can joke about killing innocent people and piss off less folks than you would about raping an evil person.

Nov 17, 2017 9:16 PM

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I don't think so. I mean when people are raped, it's still possible for them to overcome that trauma and then move on and still be happy (it's hard, but not impossible) but with murder, like, they're just straight up dead lol. They don't even get another chance at life, while people who are raped can still live. And some might argue that it's worse for rape victims because they live with that being stuck in forever, which is true, but like there are indeed many rape victims who were able to overcome that trauma so. And yeah it's easier said than done, but I mean it's still not impossible. But at the end of the day, both these things are terrible to begin with so idk why it matters which one is worse. Oh and context is everything too


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Nov 17, 2017 9:21 PM

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Nothing is absolute. What is worse depends on a persons own perspective and it also depends on why it was done and how. I don't think they are compairable because the two involve different things. An individuals personal views are in part shaped by their culture.
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Nov 17, 2017 9:57 PM

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The cruelty of one leads people to easily label it as worse than the other. Rape is always intended, always premeditated, always merciless and always unnecessary. It's brutal and has to do solely with one's desire to possess the other. However, in the end, as traumatic as it may be, rape is something that can be treated through modern psychiatric processes. It's horrific, but we can do something about it. No need to state that, at least currently, we have no measure against death and no matter in which scenario it occurs, it's always absolute and without return.

So, rape is sickening disgusting in 100% of cases, but the murder of innocent people still stands as the worst in my opinion.
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Depends how violent/painful the rape is. Generally I'd say that it is worse though, not only because of the physical pain, but the psychological pain.


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First off, you people need to learn what murder really means. It's a legal term used to define the act of killing a human being without a legal cause. Killing in the act of self-defense or to protect someone else is, 9 times out of 10, legally justified. Therefore, they would not be considered "murder".

Secondly, murder is always worse than rape, this isn't even a question. Yes, both are the worst of the worst, but a rape victim can recover with time. A murder victim? Gone forever.
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Depends how violent/painful the rape is. Generally I'd say that it is worse though, not only because of the physical pain, but the psychological pain.

Murder can bring psychilogical pain to others too from losing someone and the victim feels fear as they are being killed it's just they don't get to live through it long if it's full murder not just attempted. There also are some instances of people not even knowing they were raped because it was while not concious and caused no noticed physical damage or STD or pregnancy. There are some people murdered without sign of it being a murder and while it is a loss of life if it was expected they would already die it's accepted more. Also a person can be murdered quite slowly through torture or they can be killed quick and painless. On top of that under right conditions a person can be raped to death. So I think it's more complicated than that.
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Well, considering the fact that murder was a thing ages ago, but rape was for example not a crime in past. So...
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traed said:
Fuchsia said:
Depends how violent/painful the rape is. Generally I'd say that it is worse though, not only because of the physical pain, but the psychological pain.

Murder can bring psychilogical pain to others too from losing someone and the victim feels fear as they are being killed it's just they don't get to live through it long if it's full murder not just attempted. There also are some instances of people not even knowing they were raped because it was while not concious and caused no noticed physical damage or STD or pregnancy. There are some people murdered without sign of it being a murder and while it is a loss of life if it was expected they would already die it's accepted more. Also a person can be murdered quite slowly through torture or they can be killed quick and painless. On top of that under right conditions a person can be raped to death. So I think it's more complicated than that.

Right right, there are a lot of variables.


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Andrei_Rublev said:
The real question is why is it more acceptable to joke about murder than rape.


You can't spin rape into a good thing. Murder leaves permanent scars and it won't fix anything.

You could argue that some people deserve to die and we have armies for that.

Wait I meant to say that rape was the one that leaves permanent scars and doesn't fix anything. Killing a evil person would stop them from doing evil.

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Andrei_Rublev said:
Tapertrain said:


You can't spin rape into a good thing. Murder leaves permanent scars and it won't fix anything.

You could argue that some people deserve to die and we have armies for that.


Yeah but you can joke about killing innocent people and piss off less folks than you would about raping an evil person.


Sure you can make jokes about raping evil people, you can also make jokes about raping innocent people.
South Park recently did a bit where Mr Garrison went around raping innocent people to death.
I don't remember hearing a single person complain about it.
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Will let you know after I've been raped and murdered.


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Bobby2Hands said:
Andrei_Rublev said:


Yeah but you can joke about killing innocent people and piss off less folks than you would about raping an evil person.


Sure you can make jokes about raping evil people, you can also make jokes about raping innocent people.
South Park recently did a bit where Mr Garrison went around raping innocent people to death.
I don't remember hearing a single person complain about it.


Depends on the audience. I was watching Game Grumps play some game show based game. Dan said he got raped by one of the questions and thats what 99% of the comments focused on.
Nov 18, 2017 1:17 AM

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Both are equally bad, sickening and terrible.
Nov 18, 2017 2:41 AM

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that is the same high criminal

but can the rape case make the victim die?




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They are both felonies, therefore the same priority.
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Murder is the loss of life , so murder. With rape , you still have your life , even if it is scarred now.
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Have you been getting a lot of messages?

not yet, i did have a laugh at this topic being so timely with my email domain rape.lol
i was gonna use wants.dicksinmyan.us but mal had trouble with the double period verification


Thats kinda surprising, considering 8 ppl on the poll want me to rape them... MAL is a strange place.
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Nov 18, 2017 9:09 AM

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Seeing how you are dead when you are murdered which is permanent then the answer is no. I would think that with Rape as with other physical and psychological traumas you can learn to work through it.
Nov 18, 2017 9:10 AM

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Why does it matter?

Don't rape people. Don't kill people.

How hard is it?
Nov 18, 2017 9:16 AM

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You know what's worse? Trying to justify that one is better than the other.
Nov 18, 2017 9:27 AM
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Both are heinous. No need to justify it.

Nov 18, 2017 9:43 AM

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If you die, then you will not feel the sensory. That would be enough. You would be out of your senses of fear.
But I do wonder why you would ask this question. You can think for yourself, as people will find this unprofitable.
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Nov 18, 2017 9:49 AM

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Headbang said:
If you die, then you will not feel the sensory. That would be enough. You would be out of your senses of fear.
But I do wonder why you would ask this question. You can think for yourself, as people will find this unprofitable.


I'm asking, because I want to know what other people think. I already have my own opinion and if you read between the lines of my first post you would realize that it's pretty obvious what I think. The whole point of the forum is to engage the community. If you just keep your thoughts to yourself and never try to ask any questions or get other people's perspectives on different topics it defeats the whole purpose of the forums.
LoneWolfNov 18, 2017 12:17 PM

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Nov 18, 2017 9:54 AM

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I do agree that it is important to engage in forums, yet the topic at hand may be conflicting. Any crime will affect victims based on how they respond to it.
Since death is something you can not respond to as you are out of existence, we can not answer if something else is better or worse between the two options.
For me, death is more preferable than to endure mental images that can develop trauma. May it be that they become suicidal, which is the same result at the end of death.
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Nov 18, 2017 10:00 AM

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They're both pretty fucken sicking. I'd still say murder is worse yeah you took someone's life.
Nov 18, 2017 10:19 AM
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No, it's not.

It's not worse than your house burning down, and it's not worse than a close friend or family member dying of cancer either.


Unless you get PTSD or something like that.the difference between murder and rape in my opinion is that with rape, you can get some mental health problems for the rest of your life while wit murder, your life ends but at least you (hopefully) had a considerably good life. Serial KIlling is a whole other thing though. Thats worse.
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Seiya said:
No, it's not.

It's not worse than your house burning down, and it's not worse than a close friend or family member dying of cancer either.


Unless you get PTSD or something like that.the difference between murder and rape in my opinion is that with rape, you can get some mental health problems for the rest of your life while wit murder, your life ends but at least you (hopefully) had a considerably good life. Serial KIlling is a whole other thing though. Thats worse.


Most people who have their house burn down has the moment replay over and over again in their nightmares. It makes it difficult for people to feel safe, and these problems tend to linger much longer than rape ever could.

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Im pretty scared. One wrong statement i'll get reported. I'll have a neutral opinion. Murder is much worse. I wont explain why and I wont bother to reply.
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Im pretty scared. One wrong statement i'll get reported. I'll have a neutral opinion. Murder is much worse. I wont explain why and I wont bother to reply.
i think murder is worse, but i think there is more shame in being a rapist than a murderer.
Nov 18, 2017 11:18 AM

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Both are horrible.
Anyone who does them doesn't deserve to live, prison is too good for them.
Nov 18, 2017 11:20 AM

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Both are horrible.
Anyone who does them doesn't deserve to live, prison is too good for them.

That is a funny thing to say. Do you mean that they should take suicide or do you mean that someone else shall murder the murderer?
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Ulquiorra said:
Both are horrible.
Anyone who does them doesn't deserve to live, prison is too good for them.

That is a funny thing to say. Do you mean that they should take suicide or do you mean that someone else shall murder the murderer?


I would like them to suffer the same pain they inflicted to their victims, but the stupid human rights wouldn't agree with that.
The electric chair is the solution, even though they would also waste electricity on them.
Nov 18, 2017 11:30 AM

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Well, considering the fact that murder was a thing ages ago, but rape was for example not a crime in past. So...


Are you being a troll? If not I seriously need to educate you!
Nov 18, 2017 11:31 AM

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Tapertrain said:
Are you being a troll? If not I seriously need to educate you!

What ? what is your problem ? I just merely stated facts dude.
Nov 18, 2017 11:42 AM
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This is a video discussing such a topic, but in the context of videogames. I still recommend this as food for thought.

To kill someone is to end their life and essentially the cardinal sin. However, we are exposed to death more. Death is the universal equalizer. We will all die. We are also exposed to glorifying murder at times.

To rape someone is traumatize them with the consequences of such an experience for the rest of their lives. Rape is something that is hidden, taboo, isolated, and difficult to morally address.

There is a line between the two, but to weigh them is...beyond what I can personally ever do.
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Uh, I'm gonna go with no. But they're both bad in my book.





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Well...
I do not condone rape nor murder.And i'm probably a hypocrite for saying this (Because I make fucked up jokes), but both are fucked up and there is no such thing as 'worse' in these 2 option. One gives you psychological damage and one gives you permanent damage (AKA death).
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