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Lvhina said: Don't mind me, I'm not Mikuru's or either Haruhi's fanboy, I don't like em' at all, but how's she's being a slutter? She's just doing what Haruhi says, yet some people here says she's responsible of all the events that just ocurred in Tsuruya's house. She is a tool.someone needs speech lessons to control that stutter >< But then again I understand the big amount of fanboyism towards Haruhi; Kawaii, cool, hardheaded and she does what she wants, Kyon just didn't accepted the fact that she was using someone else as a tool to satisfy her desires, also, to all those who says they readed the novels, if you took a peak closely to it, he didn't even knew what he was doing when he raised his fist, he came up again to his sense when he found out that Koizumi was holding his fist, but nevertheless he still insisted afterwards on punching her. And anyone who doesn't put on his possition is a totally fucked up retard. Yes, Haruhi does care about the members of SOS, but then again, she was out of his mind on that room, god, just imagine yourself watching someone else hiting the head of a drunk girl. It may be soft, it might be hard, she was still hiting Asahina's head. Kyon just couldn't stand up and thats it, get over it. |
usasoldiern said: SO with past occurrences that we have seen, you're just going to ignore this episode and her extremely "bitchy" demeanor? Obviously she's not a 2-d character, being a main character and all, but you can't say that she was not a "bitch" in this episode.This. I agree with Charliehsv, to just write off Haruhi as a "bitch" is completely missing the point of some of the episodes in the first season (the "God Knows" episode, for example) that showed the viewer that there is much much more to Haruhi's character. Conversely, this episode shows a bit of the "worse" side of Kyon's personality. But, I don't think it was that scene in particular that pissed him off, I think that all the events up until that scene added up to his anger and,well, he just exploded. |
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HawthorneKitty said: usasoldiern said: SO with past occurrences that we have seen, you're just going to ignore this episode and her extremely "bitchy" demeanor? Obviously she's not a 2-d character, being a main character and all, but you can't say that she was not a "bitch" in this episode.This. I agree with Charliehsv, to just write off Haruhi as a "bitch" is completely missing the point of some of the episodes in the first season (the "God Knows" episode, for example) that showed the viewer that there is much much more to Haruhi's character. Conversely, this episode shows a bit of the "worse" side of Kyon's personality. But, I don't think it was that scene in particular that pissed him off, I think that all the events up until that scene added up to his anger and,well, he just exploded. No, she most definitely was in the wrong. But, you can't ignore the fact that Kyon was most definitely going to hit her.. and hit her considerably harder than the tap Haruhi gave to Mikuru, if Koizumi hadn't stopped him. But, you know, this episode and arc sort of puts some of the scenes from the latter half of season one in perspective. And, I absolutely refuse to use the word "bitch" to describe Haruhi there is so much more to her than that. |
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usasoldiern said: So are we comparing the amount of strength put into the punch to her tappings? It almost sounds like if Kyon tapped her repeatedly, it would be ok.HawthorneKitty said: usasoldiern said: SO with past occurrences that we have seen, you're just going to ignore this episode and her extremely "bitchy" demeanor? Obviously she's not a 2-d character, being a main character and all, but you can't say that she was not a "bitch" in this episode.This. I agree with Charliehsv, to just write off Haruhi as a "bitch" is completely missing the point of some of the episodes in the first season (the "God Knows" episode, for example) that showed the viewer that there is much much more to Haruhi's character. Conversely, this episode shows a bit of the "worse" side of Kyon's personality. But, I don't think it was that scene in particular that pissed him off, I think that all the events up until that scene added up to his anger and,well, he just exploded. No, she most definitely was in the wrong. But, you can't ignore the fact that Kyon was most definitely going to hit her.. and hit her considerably harder than the tap Haruhi gave to Mikuru, if Koizumi hadn't stopped him. But, you know, this episode and arc sort of puts some of the scenes from the latter half of season one in perspective. And, I absolutely refuse to use the word "bitch" to describe Haruhi there is so much more to her than that. Would somebody please just tell me, if you were in Kyon's position, what would you have done, and predict the following consequences to said action? I think I'm already a broken record by now. |
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HawthorneKitty said: So you're implying that words are enough to stop a character such as Haruhi? It might not be the absolutely best way to resolve problems, but you can see uneasiness just oozing out of Mikuru. I use the warning thing because nobody else will come up with another way to stop Haruhi, so please enlighten me with a new way. If you would have not got as angry as Kyon has, you must not have seen that much in life, or made a strong connection with somebody in real life. I'm not denying that she cares about her members, bu honestly, would you want to be treated that way? Even if it was the spur of the moment, Haruhi's actions and diction were extremely uncalled for. Obviously she needs to learn that what she does can affect others around her. I don't know it just isn't convincing with somebody that has the following: Favorite Anime - Haruhi, Favorite Character - Haruhi, Favorite Voice Actor - Aya Hirano. I'm not saying that being is a fanboy is bad, but somtimes you need to notice that your favorite whatever has plenty of bad points when they are thrown right into your face and not just covering it with all the virtues of the whatever it is. Words have been enough to stop her often enough before. With the right choice of words I'm confident that he could have stopped her. Or, he could have for example grabbed her arm, like Koizumi did to him when he was about to hit her (Kyon even did a similar thing earlier during the Sigh and it turned out just fine). Still a million times better than beating her. And beating her because she called Mikuru a toy? Do you punch everyone who says things that annoy you? Yeah, and go ahead and make assumptions about me and my relationships with people IRL. -_- Yes, spiking the drink and such was completely uncalled for. Still, that doesn't justify Kyon's actions either. It's not the fact that he got angry that I mind - but trying to hit someone, especially with a clenched fist, is crossing the line by a wide wide margin. I never said that she had a perfect personality - she too has her flaws like all the characters in this series. Don't put words into my mouth. |
yakisobapanSep 4, 2009 6:49 PM
| Somebody sure is trying his hardest to stamp "bitch" on Haruhi's face :D Oh, words from people who have anything related to Haruhi on their favorites cannot convince you? lol...may I ask, did you come to the wrong thread here? Even the topic has Haruhi in it after all ^^ well, but so true...instead of choosing headless moe-blob characters (oora? ui?) as favorite, I chose the ultimate bitch Haruhi, who can do (seemingly?) nothing else than annoying the hell of other people...man, what was I thinking?? That was some huge failure on my part to even consider her other not-so-obvious characters... |
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| @Mikiyo I dont feel like quoting you... but i said STUTTER "distorted speech characterized principally by blocks or spasms interrupting the rhythm." so i do not know how you got whatever you interpretation from what i said Mikiyo said: Lvhina said: Don't mind me, I'm not Mikuru's or either Haruhi's fanboy, I don't like em' at all, but how's she's being a slutter? She's just doing what Haruhi says, yet some people here says she's responsible of all the events that just ocurred in Tsuruya's house. She is a tool.someone needs speech lessons to control that stutter >< Edit: oops nevermind i ... qu-qu-quoted you (sorry i stuttered) |
| I could swear I saw slutter, ArarararararararagiLvhina-san. |
Mikiyo said: I could swear I saw slutter, ArarararararararagiLvhina-san. HAHA, that was the fisrt that came to mind, but i didnt feel like quoting bakemonogatari :-D |
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| Here's why I disliked the episode. Koiziumi and Kyon's conversation -Isn't this almost word for word the same conversation from the first season Haruhi -put bitch in 4th gear Kyon -really...you're going to punch her when she's patting Mikuru with plastic megaphone? Proportionate reaction, kid, grab her arm really hard...or shake her -and his resolution to apologize came off as very forced and too quick. "I drank some milk so I guess I'm sorry now"? Give me a break. Tsuruya - wow, how big of a mop head are you? Just slip Mikuru a roofie and see what she really does. That'll be hilarious. Visually -this episode seemed really static. I remember thinking a bout halfway throught that the most movement I saw the whole episode was tossing Mikuru into the lake. Reasons I liked the episode -it was good for about a minute, when Kyon almost hit Haruhi. I personally think that she deserved a punch, not for what she did specifically that day (drugging Mikuru aside), but for everything she's put them all through during the course of the series. So overall, I disliked it, 2/5. Clearly not the best episode, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody still gets my vote by a wide margin, since it's the only totally necessary episode of the show. I would have liked to have seen parts of this arc in the first season, but here, it's just taking up way too much time. |
noteDhero said: 'So overall, I disliked it, 2/5. Clearly not the best episode, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody still gets my vote by a wide margin, since it's the only totally necessary episode of the show. I would have liked to have seen parts of this arc in the first season, but here, it's just taking up way too much time. Well there you go eh? Same here, none of this season really feels like it should matter much or like it isn't just retreading old ground....sometimes literally. It's pretty sad to see a season full of 90% or so filler, but then I guess it really doesn't matter in the long run does it. It obviously keeps the die-hards who are just happy to the characters on screen happy, but I have to wonder what it is with Kyoani and picking series that at first seem promising but then prove to have next to no character development and concept progression past a certain point that usually comes early rather than later. It usually doesn't pay to judge a book by it's cover, but lately it seems like what you see is what you get with them and that what you see is quite literally ALL you get. I think the insult to injury is that after this arc ends (probably next week) we should theoretically go right back to the old episodes and end on that note. This basically means that unless they pull out all the stops next week I might have ultimately found a show that will top Gundam Seed Destiny as the most paltry of second season attempts (if you can really call it that) I have seen in the past couple decades. I equate it to when Midway slapped 98' on the box of Wayne Gretzky's 3D hockey and tried to sell to the gaming populace again at full price when really it was the exact same game with only a couple tweaks to the roster. So lame..... |
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Charliehsv said: You obviously have not justified any comprehension of how disturbed and angered Kyon was. You don't seem to be fazed at all about the word "toy". I'm scared to how you view other people around you, and no I don't personally use physical violence, but I think I can understand why he took his course of action while you can't even fathom the thought of a raised fist against her. All I can understand by what you have explained is that you are extremely against violence.Words have been enough to stop her often enough before. With the right choice of words I'm confident that he could have stopped her. Or, he could have for example grabbed her arm, like Koizumi did to him when he was about to hit her (Kyon even did a similar thing earlier during the Sigh and it turned out just fine). Still a million times better than beating her. And beating her because she called Mikuru a toy? Do you punch everyone who says things that annoy you? Yeah, and go ahead and make assumptions about me and my relationships with people IRL. -_- Yes, spiking the drink and such was completely uncalled for. Still, that doesn't justify Kyon's actions either. It's not the fact that he got angry that I mind - but trying to hit someone, especially with a clenched fist, is crossing the line by a wide wide margin. I never said that she had a perfect personality - she too has her flaws like all the characters in this series. Don't put words into my mouth. Well, seeing as you only called her "seemingly selfish", you're just almost there. Say selfish. You just haven't said anything about her flaws and only acknowledged her beneficial traits in other parts of the story. vinesage said: So are you saying that people can't openly dislike a certain character just because it's a Haruhi thread. Yeah, I'm going to go into a K-ON! (for the sake that you mentioned Ui) thread and talk about Haruhi instead.Somebody sure is trying his hardest to stamp "bitch" on Haruhi's face :D Oh, words from people who have anything related to Haruhi on their favorites cannot convince you? lol...may I ask, did you come to the wrong thread here? Even the topic has Haruhi in it after all ^^ well, but so true...instead of choosing headless moe-blob characters (oora? ui?) as favorite, I chose the ultimate bitch Haruhi, who can do (seemingly?) nothing else than annoying the hell of other people...man, what was I thinking?? That was some huge failure on my part to even consider her other not-so-obvious characters... What irks me is that people are in no way even thinking that she deserved to be reprimanded and bashing Kyon for his own decisions. It's not that people with Haruhi-related favorites are unable to convince me, it's just that nobody has tried to justify what she did and continue to blame Kyon instead. Besides, you'll have to dig a little deeper for my real favorites; yes my left list is a little misleading. |
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| @Kaioshin_Sama The problem is, in the case of Haruhi (as opposed to the Key crap, Munto, and K-On), the source seems to be good and solid. The first season was good, and Bamboo was good despite also being filler technically (it was wasn't it?). It was Kadokowa and KyoAni's decision to dig up content they felt unneeded for the first season, take one arc and do the same episode 8 times, and make a season out of it. It's a failure of production and not source material. But then, the light novels could end up being terrible for all I know. |
| I was a fan of haruhi. I own the entire first series on DVD. After watching season two, It's such garbage. worst anime of the decade. |
noteDhero said: @Kaioshin_Sama The problem is, in the case of Haruhi (as opposed to the Key crap, Munto, and K-On), the source seems to be good and solid. The first season was good, and Bamboo was good despite also being filler technically (it was wasn't it?). It was Kadokowa and KyoAni's decision to dig up content they felt unneeded for the first season, take one arc and do the same episode 8 times, and make a season out of it. It's a failure of production and not source material. But then, the light novels could end up being terrible for all I know. Gotta agree with you there again 100%. It's kind of like they felt they had done an insufficient first season (let's face it the first seasons narrative is bloody choppy even if viewed in chronological order) and tried to go back and augment it with these new episodes to fill in the gaps and just made it even less compelling thanks to horrible decision making. I don't think it comes down to the fact that they might think they can cash in and profit on it regardless, this is just like bad planning pure and simple. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: Gotta agree with you there again 100%. It's kind of like they felt they had done an insufficient first season (let's face it the first seasons narrative is bloody choppy even if viewed in chronological order) and tried to go back and augment it with these new episodes to fill in the gaps and just made it even less compelling thanks to horrible decision making. I don't think it comes down to the fact that they might think they can cash in and profit on it regardless, this is just like bad planning pure and simple. Personally, I thought the first season was a total success. As a narrative it told two stories using the same episodes, dialogue, etc at the same time. Viewing the show in the aired order makes the show a random comedy where Haruhi is the main character, and Kyon is just a filter. That's the way I watched it in Japanese. If you watch it chronologically, it's a deeply sarcastic, equally funny look at the way Haruhi has affected Kyon's world, in which he is the main character of the show. This is how it felt when I re-watched it for fun a few months ago in English. They totally felt like two completely different shows even though I was watching the same thing. That could also be the affect of rewatching a show like re-reading a book, but even if that's the case, it's the first time in anime I've felt that way. I think it jumped around a bit, but as we can tell from this season, we weren't missing much. Especially if Kyon happens to have two revelations regarding Haruhi's insularity (BLR and Sighs) and still manages to treat her in the same fashion regardless. |
| Wow, intense. I'm glad Kyon was that angry because Haruhi was utterly out of control, and it was clear when she threw her friend into a probably disease ridden pool. If that wasn't obvious enough, Haruhi straight out says Mikuru is her toy. People make too many exceptions for Haruhi because she's a god. That power means that is more of a need for people to teach her to be mature. In this episode, she insinuated that she doesn't respect anyone, and Kyon's right, no one will want to be around her in the future if no one in the present stands up to her behavior. |
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| Ugh,I've been disliking haruhi more in this arc I feel bad for mikuru. |
| Kyon's reason for anger...the placebo effect! |
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Amy said: Wow, intense. I'm glad Kyon was that angry because Haruhi was utterly out of control, and it was clear when she threw her friend into a probably disease ridden pool. If that wasn't obvious enough, Haruhi straight out says Mikuru is her toy. People make too many exceptions for Haruhi because she's a god. That power means that is more of a need for people to teach her to be mature. In this episode, she insinuated that she doesn't respect anyone, and Kyon's right, no one will want to be around her in the future if no one in the present stands up to her behavior. This. I agree with you on this.. just because she "may" be a god, doesn't mean she can treat people like her playthings, or "toys" in this case. Sighs is actually making Haruhi look dangerous in a way, which is why I think it is an absolutely essential arc. |
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| poor Mikuru..... |
| I am disappointed! Wasn't Kyoani being praised as a miracle studio when it comes to reset ending? Why can't they just let us see Kyon punching Haruhi in the face and reset it back later on? Come on, even if it just Kyon imagine I would love to see it done at least once. |
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Siva said: I am disappointed! Wasn't Kyoani being praised as a miracle studio when it comes to reset ending? Why can't they just let us see Kyon punching Haruhi in the face and reset it back later on? Come on, even if it just Kyon imagine I would love to see it done at least once. This post is ironic coming from someone who has a character from Aria as an avatar and, no, I am not insulting you. |
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Siva said: I am disappointed! Wasn't Kyoani being praised as a miracle studio when it comes to reset ending? Why can't they just let us see Kyon punching Haruhi in the face and reset it back later on? Come on, even if it just Kyon imagine I would love to see it done at least once. I think that was just one story, but it tends to stick a bit in the memory doesn't it? |
I know violence is wrong in any levels. BUT being a human for this long I can even understand that there are situations when "word" alone can NOT solve the problem. It doesn't matter if you are a fan of Haruhi or not, you can't deny that what she did and done are wrong because it is the fact. Put yourself in Kyon shoe and re-imagine that Haruhi has this kind of face. Now tell me again that you DO NOT want to punch Haruhi character in the face. @usasoldiern: Well, do you really think of Aria fan are some kind of people who only think of peace? I wish I could too but not in this world and this time. |
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Koryu said: I have absolute faith that Kyon is the real God now. LOL +1 and definitely the best episode yet! haruhi`s almost sad face at the end was absolutely priceless! just when i started thinking this is getting a bit boring again.. :P |
_Me_ said: They're both becoming retards. Kyon's overreacting (She was hitting her semi-lightly with a cone and telling her to do her part.) and Haruhi's just idiotic. Well, she did drug Mikuru, and I think the rage had been building up since the lake scene. Anyways, more Tsuruya (Tsuru-chan?) is always welcome, and Yuki's epic tackle was pretty awesome. I mean, she went like ten feet in a flash, but then again this is Yuki. And I think Kyon's comment about Taniguchi's idiocy saving the world came full circle this episode. Or maybe it hasn't yet. o__O |
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| I think that Haruhi S2 has suffered enough. Lets bolster its rank by a few hundred. |
| Kinda a fail episode for me. Just a very self centered girl and a guy that was about to lay that regulation down. |
| Damn, this episode really could cure my wounds from endless eight. So far this episode probably the best of the season. The emotion really felt, damn i really want Kyon to frickin' slap haruhi !! I hope this is still goin' better |
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| Poor Mikuru, even I wanted to give Haruhi a big slap in the face, too bad it didn't happen. |
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Lvhina said: UnknownFact said: Am I the only person to start to NOT like Haruhi at all? She's incredibly selfish what an unreasonable woman... LOL exact opposite of me, i've not like kyon for a while lol I didnt like Kyon much in the first season... but now i like both Kyon and Haruhi ^^ |
thethorndog said: Btw, the reason haruhi messes with mikuru is because she knows kyon likes mikuru, so in return, she bullies her because she is in fact jealous. She isnt doing that because she is a bitch or anything, its because she likes kyon Doesn't give her a right to do that to mikuru >_> |
| Nice episode. I only want to point out that Haruhi only called Mikuru her 'toy' after Kyon verbally assaulted her. People say things they don't really mean when they are angry after all. |
| haha Haruhi is so funny |
| next week is the final episode [?] we'll see whats it gonna be |
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| Really good, the confrontation between Kyon and Haruhi made this episode the best since Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody I think.. great episode :D |
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| It seems the Endless Eight withdrawal symptoms are finally going away... This episode was definitely an improvement over the last few ones.... |
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