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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Watched the movie last night at Kanazawa Station Cinema. The film had a little problem with pacing, it's hard to put the finger on it, character design was refreshing, not using the original designes was the right choice and Yamada director used it for her best to express feeling with movment. Overall it was great and fun watch, it's not like Hibike at all if somene expecting it to be. |
| an engrish ED...sigh |
 "For the sake of humankind, I forsake my humanity." - Cherry |
SemiZeroGravity said: does double read mean anything important? thats something i did not quite understand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_reed |
| A rather engaging and beautifully drawn film. Much different in tone from Hibike Euphonium. |
| Can someone write a like, one sentence summary of the story? Is it about friends growing apart or fighting or competing or something? |
GarLogan78 said: Can someone write a like, one sentence summary of the story? Is it about friends growing apart or fighting or competing or something? A co-dependent oboe player dreads graduating from high school and being separated from her only friend and the object of her adoration, who plays the flute; tensions rise as the two share a major duet in an upcoming competition piece, yet are unable to harmonize with one another. |
BatWeeb said: I heard some people saying that KyoAni went full yuri with this movie. Is it true or is this another case of yuri fans falling for the classic KyoAni yuri bait? The girls never kiss on-screen, if you're looking for that. Knowing Yamada, she probably didn't intend for the movie to be read as a romance; she would probably try to frame it as a story about "adolescence" and leave it at that. But if you've watched the series, you know the kind of codependent relationship that Mizore has with Nozomi. Should you choose to read the clear affection she has for her as romantic love (and the movie does give pretty clear foundation towards that sort of reading), that interpretation works. |
BatWeeb said: DreadoftheGrave said: The girls never kiss on-screen, if you're looking for that. Knowing Yamada, she probably didn't intend for the movie to be read as a romance; she would probably try to frame it as a story about "adolescence" and leave it at that. But if you've watched the series, you know the kind of codependent relationship that Mizore has with Nozomi. Should you choose to read the clear affection she has for her as romantic love (and the movie does give pretty clear foundation towards that sort of reading), that interpretation works. That's the thing, I never thought of the relationship between any of the girls in Hibike Euphonium as romantic, I know it's all deep friendship and it always amazed me seeing the yuri fans getting baited and biting the bait so hard. But quite a lot of people have been vocal on some places about how this time it's actually a romance so I got curious and decided to ask, but it just seems like the yuri brigade got baited again. Nothing against yuri fans though, I like my fair share of yuri myself but it's getting kinda annoying with yuri fans seeing romance between girls where there isn't any - e.g. Love Live, Hibike Euphonium or pretty much any KyoAni anime and so on so forth. it's pretty far from 'bait'. there are some moments in the film that really defy non-romantic readings, and the japanese yuri community's embrace of the film should kinda tell you what you need to know about that. |
BatWeeb said: I'll reserve my judgement for after I watch the movie, but I'm going to watch it with zero expectations of any romantic development. One of the reasons I ended up watching Hibike Euphonium was because there was a lot of people saying it was a yuri anime but in the end all I got was yuri bait, so I prefer to not pay heed to the yuri community anymore. it’s not a ‘romantic development’ film anyway, so sounds good to me |
BatWeeb said: I heard some people saying that KyoAni went full yuri with this movie. Is it true or is this another case of yuri fans falling for the classic KyoAni yuri bait? As far as I know, the film several times calls as "love" relationship between the girls and is even deliberately directing many scenes as yuri ship materal, well, you know, all these "wall's pov", etc. They even mention it directly in their booklet, although I don't know in what terms. At the same time, the intimacy of their interaction never goes beyond "anime close friends" and I think that you yourself remember that the franchise used the word "love" for friendly relationsip even in the first season. For example, Japantimes calls it "the story of the separation between two friends" in this review. So, it's definitely more yuri-ish than any ship in the original franchise, but the final conclusion is yours, because it's still a pure subtext in the best traditions. But if you like the Japanese think that "yuri" is not only an open romantic relationship, but also strong emotional bonds, then this is definitely an item for you. |
RobertBobertSep 28, 2018 12:30 PM
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| Absolutely loved this movie. In every way, I found it was top-tier. Both characters were also very relatable. I've had the OST for awhile and while it's "good", with the actual movie is stunningly perfect. Very emotional film...way better than I expected from "side" characters. KyoAni does it again. |
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| Absolutely loved it. It's very difficult to let someone you really love go. A great addition to the Euphonium franchise. I hope we get another season soon. Also forewarning for those watching Liz for the yuri, you're just going to get disappointed like in the main series. It's a very intimate movie (like every Yamada film -- focusing on legs or little nuances to establish the character's personality/emotions), but not to the point where they become an actual couple. |
RoseVueNov 13, 2018 4:40 PM
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| I don't know why but I almost cried during the big oboe+flute performance during the practice scene |
| I remember watching this during Anime Expo and feeling a little bored. Might've been because I was watching this as a spin-off of Hibike! Euphonium rather than as a stand-alone, so I wanted to see more of the original leads since they were way more compelling than any of the side characters. I should probably rewatch the movie with a different perspective. |
| I need sleep. |
| I expected nothing being a movie focused on the two characters that ruined the start of S2, yet I left disappointed (and bored, really bored). Going first for the visuals, if this was a standalone movie or I had never watched the TV series (something that can be perfectly done for this movie tbh) I would find the character designs to be pretty good like I think that the Koe no Katachi and Hyouka ones from the same designer are, but god the style is such a massive downgrade in comparison to TV Hibike (which to be fair is one of the best looking shows out there, why even change it), seeing Kumiko or Natsuki with this style was just wrong, they looked so much worse. It's a similar feeling I had when watching the Kizumonogatari movies. For the movie per se... I'm generally not a fan of slow paced stories, some manage to engage me nonetheless and be awesome, but this wasn't definitely the case in this one, the first 15~ minutes with just introducing the mood for what was to come were a massive snorefest and it never got better from there. I don't like any of these two characters at all and this movie definitely didn't succeed at changing my opinion on them. I feel like I will have already forgotten everything about this movie by tomorrow after I wake up, so painfully boring and with nothing for me to take positive notes about. |
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| This movie was simply beautiful. The direction, the new art (which I loved SO much! I'm very found of this kind of art style), everything coming together to form this delicate and sensitive piece. I'm now left in pieces, with my heart burning in a mix of sadness, joy and slight pain. Definitely a masterpiece, in my eyes. Mizore playing was astounding, so as the piece. |
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| There is a problem in here that i'm trying to figure out. so in this is movie in the end they are trying to become a blue bird and find their own path but the question is will nozomi still enter music school with mizore?? |
locomotivaz said: harukanox said: There is a problem in here that i'm trying to figure out. so in this is movie in the end they are trying to become a blue bird and find their own path but the question is will nozomi still enter music school with mizore?? I'm afraid not Nozomi borrowed problem books for "ordinary university qualification exams" in the end. Yeah you have a point, if she really want to go in music school she can practice harder in her instrument instead. Really sad to hear that though. |
| Anyone knows why whenever the new oboe player is mentioned, they start by saying "yoroi..." and then correct it to "kenzaki"? it drives me insane lol. |
| I'm confused by Mizore's facial expression just before the credits roll. |
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| I think people should simply drop the "romance vs. friendship" binary thinking. Female sexuality is highly ambiguous, and it is even more so in Japan. I don't know why people has to make a great deal figuring out whether it is romance or friendship. Even the whole concept of "homosexuality" didn't even exist in East Asia before it was imported from the West in 19th century. Some people did have what we now would call homosexual desire and behaviour from time to time, but they never identified themselves as having a fixed sexuality. Just like people who love oral sex and people who are disgusted by it were never essentialised into two distinct type of people. (Of course there were social taboo about homosexual behaviour as well as about oral sex, but neither of them was generally viewed as religiously sinful or as deviant from "nature".) The idea that human relation can be rigidly categorised into non-intercepting types are a social construction. Reality is much ambiguous than our categories. |
CHCDec 8, 2018 6:06 AM
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| @BlurredVision18 I'm gonna bump this question. Was Mizore just surprised that Nozomi suddenly turned around? She held the expression for a while though so I don't think so. I thought she was like going for a kiss or something, but it seems unlikely. Did Nozomi say something that we didn't hear? I'm confused by it as well. Someone pls help |
| "There’s no point in the world. But isn’t that wonderful? Because if there isn’t one, then you can decide what it is for yourself." ~ Filicia Heideman, Sora no Woto "Senpai...please grow up." ~ Fumi Manjoume, Aoi Hana "I wonder what tomorrow will bring." ~ Yunocchi, Hidamari Sketch: Sae and Hiro's Graduation Arc |
| Also, Naoko Yamada's walking fetish is EXTREMELY apparent here. (Not that I'm complaining) |
| "There’s no point in the world. But isn’t that wonderful? Because if there isn’t one, then you can decide what it is for yourself." ~ Filicia Heideman, Sora no Woto "Senpai...please grow up." ~ Fumi Manjoume, Aoi Hana "I wonder what tomorrow will bring." ~ Yunocchi, Hidamari Sketch: Sae and Hiro's Graduation Arc |
landofthekwt said: I found this movie wonderful. It showed the painful realization that Mizore comes to that just like LIz she must let Nozomi go even though she loves Nozomi and would follow Nozomi to the ends of the earth In the end they can proclaim their love even though they go different ways. That is what LIz did in letting the blue bird go even though it hurt both of them. It was better if the bird were free rather than caged I feel like it's the reverse actually. Nozomi read the story thinking she was the Blue Bird and Mizore is Liz. But they have to realize that Mizore is the Blue Bird and it's Nozomi who has to let Mizore take flight. --- I loved how purposeful the footsteps of Mizore are in the end when she and Nozomi heads to different rooms, the music room and the library respectively. It's nice that they both came to a silent understanding and went their separate ways, Mizore with purpose, Nozomi with the same upbeat twirl in her steps. |
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| Captivating, very much so. Still in awe after seeing this movie, there's so much (also accessible) metaphorical storytelling, the music was amazing (Koe no Katachi composer did it again), they got me fairly attached already to the relationship of Nozomi and Mizore in only the first 6 minutes. That sequence already established that Mizore is following Nozomi up the footsteps and strives to be with her. Also they made it so obvious, yet it went over my head there that Mizore can be seen as Liz from that point on already. Nozomi picked up the blue feather, admires it and gives it to Mizore while she's is going through her hair with the hand as if she lost that feather IMO. That's a genius foreshadowing scene that i did not pick up on at first. Other incredible noteworthy scenes to me were Mizore and Nozomi looking at each other and making gestures through the windows, that was heartwarming and simply well done with the music. The last practice session of the movie, what beautiful music that was, Mizore finally was let free upon realizing how Liz and the Blue Bird can be perceived. Nozomi realizes that she caged in Mizore's talent and probably decides to not go to a music school so Mizore can fly. They come to a mutual understanding, they both walk on their own paths in which they can be free but knowing that they make the other happy. The walking scene indicates IMO exactly that, they are free from the shackles. Crossing out the ''dis'' in ''disjoint'' was great. Thought about for a bit but this movie really, really impressed me and has a lasting impact. 10/10 |
| I don't know if it's on the spur of the moment, but this is exactly what I'm searching for in anime. After very disappointing Violet Evergarden, Kyoto Animation delivered something fantastic. So many things that made this movie special, like the way how they started and ended this story. 10/10. Btw. I see many people misinterpreted the whole thing with "suki" and "Daisuki", because there's no English equivalent for it and it's not as simple and straightforward as "I love you" (35mm subs for this movie are pretty solid and faithful, but they could handle this thing a little better). No, this movie is definitely not yuri. It's all about friendship. |
rsc-plDec 9, 2018 12:07 PM
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| This one was generating a lot of buzz so I decided to check it out. I went in blind, unsure what to expect. All I knew is that it was going to be about two girls in band and their friendship being tied to the blue bird story somehow. I appreciate the audio, visuals and educational value, while also acknowledging the flaws it has. 7/10 |
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| I didn't enjoy this as much as I was expecting to, but it's a solid addition to the Hibike series. The story was light on substance, but there were some nice moments, some cool shots and overall great use of music. I hope Yamada keeps directing films. She's still young and could have a long directing career ahead of her. Loved the close up shot of the corner of the wall/locker where Mizore and Nozomi both placed their hand as they turned the corner. Jaguar-chan said: Hahaha, yeah. So many walking shots and very careful attention paid to the sound of footsteps, but I'm not complaining either. It's an interesting way of showing character or the relationship between characters.Also, Naoko Yamada's walking fetish is EXTREMELY apparent here. (Not that I'm complaining) |
JoshDec 9, 2018 4:42 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
CHC said: I think people should simply drop the "romance vs. friendship" binary thinking. Female sexuality is highly ambiguous, and it is even more so in Japan. I don't know why people has to make a great deal figuring out whether it is romance or friendship. Even the whole concept of "homosexuality" didn't even exist in East Asia before it was imported from the West in 19th century. Some people did have what we now would call homosexual desire and behaviour from time to time, but they never identified themselves as having a fixed sexuality. Just like people who love oral sex and people who are disgusted by it were never essentialised into two distinct type of people. (Of course there were social taboo about homosexual behaviour as well as about oral sex, but neither of them was generally viewed as religiously sinful or as deviant from "nature".) The idea that human relation can be rigidly categorised into non-intercepting types are a social construction. Reality is much ambiguous than our categories. Dude, you're digging too deep. Yes, the Japanese have a rather peculiar perception of human relationships, especially when it comes to girls. But I do not think that it makes sense to address so deep topics here. rsc-pl said: Btw. I see many people misinterpreted the whole thing with "suki" and "Daisuki", because there's no English equivalent for it and it's not as simple and straightforward as "I love you" (35mm subs for this movie are pretty solid and faithful, but they could handle this thing a little better). No, this movie is definitely not yuri. It's all about friendship. Well, Yamada would not be Yamada, if even her interviews did not look like ambiguous subtext, lol. In any case, it is canonical that there is “love” between them, but the way the film and Yamada handles this suggests that this is more platonic love than romantic ones. Although I will not argue, in some moments what is happening is so melodramatized and pathetic that I begin to doubt the sexuality of Mizore. |
RobertBobertDec 9, 2018 7:25 PM
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| Pretty good movie, enjoyed it! Obv rather would prefer the main story continuation, and the first 30 minutes were not that impressive, but liked the 2nd half. One of the first questions that came to mind didn't Nozomi and Mizore resolved their situation in the 2nd season and why it seems like continuing like it was before?! Well the answer probably is the movie itself while it is a side-story so was it necessary or not is the question. A lot of people liked it me including so why not =/ Really liked the comparison how both of them projecting themselves Mizore as Liz and Nozomi as the bird and then realizing that it has changed. Thought it was quite interesting how Nozomi always knew the situation and tried keeping Mizore to herself, but just couldn't keep up and admit to herself. About the artstyle, it was beatiful and to match the Blue bird story. Still prefer the original and think that the film adaptation was just an eyecandy! To talk about yuri stuff, obv the whole series is built upon the true friendship, but i think in this movie their relationship was exaggerated too much. Just a very suggestion for a romantic relationship. Again will say that would've preferred the continuation, but enjoyed it neverthless. Patiently waiting for 3rd film and for Kumiko! Might even be able to go on the premier and try scraping up something from what i hear and understand ... Overall 8/10 |
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| Overall beautiful movie <3 My only problems were the change of design for the characters & those ultra long necks XD 9/10 I loved the first song of the credits (girls,dance, staircase) |
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| Not gonna lie, that was one of the most boring anime films I've ever seen |
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| I think both of them were Liz in the story, they both needed to release each other. I'm glad they worked it out and were able to not disjoint, hanging on to their friendship was the best thing. Such powerful emotional performance from both of them especially from Mizore. Overall I enjoyed this and the power of friendship that holds back a person's potential and growth. 8/10. |
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| It was quite nice. I really enjoyed their music. You can expect your usual KyoAni perfect visuals as well. 8/10 Inuchiyo said: an engrish ED...sigh It was quite passable. The lyrics suck IKR. But the song itself sounds nice imho. |
| That was beautiful, a really delicate movie. The first half was a bit "weird", like, really dragged out and nothing much happened despite being full of subtle visual storytelling. But the second half was so worth it, everything came together nicely and I really enjoyed the conclusion. That scene where they perform the entire 3rd movement deeply moved me, there was so much conveyed in this music. I will definitely remember this for a while. |
| eto.... this was... this was.... fine. something simple/normal that turned out to be over melodramatic and in the end "ok". And again another yuri bait. That's kyoani for u =P 6/10 |
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allenjke said: To talk about yuri stuff, obv the whole series is built upon the true friendship, but i think in this movie their relationship was exaggerated too much. Just a very suggestion for a romantic relationship. Well, if Euhpo and KyoAni had not used such a bloated melodrama to describe friendship, this franchise would not have such a reputation. However, according to Yamada’s interview, the film was made so subtle and emotional, because she considered it disrespectful to the viewer “to just openly show that they are very close friends”. If this is true, then I am afraid that her hope that the viewer himself will understand everything went a little differently from what she wanted. |
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