The Case Study of Vanitas
Neostorm-X said: why is everyone acting like this is gonna be some romance shit, read the author's previous works, there is literally NO romance at all, just like in the end of Pandora hearts where the protagonist ends up with no one. the author simply writes like this lol. also i hope the anime doesn't end up like pandora heart's anime, and have a changed ending and unfinished Umm, did you read the manga? Because you should. |
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VelCake said: uhm.... I don't want to burst your bubble but Gil and Oz's romantic feelings for each other are canon in the novel lol (and the novel is canon) Just saying, Jun didn't write the novel, she drew the pictures. And I think if she ships someone, i.e. they are canon, she goes all out. There's no bait. Same sex or not, she'll freaking progress their 'plot' faster than 90% of the romance manga out there. They might not have a happy ending, but she'll ship them to the end <3 |
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| I won't elaborate on VaniJeanne, but I wouldn't really go as far as say Dominique is Noé's love interest since her feelings remain one-sided . Her having feelings for him doesn't mean they'll eventually be reciprocated. Also, not trying to stir any controversy (I really like the way this discussion is progressing these last posts and agree re: Mochijun deliberately coding and/or writing her characters as queer both in PH and VnC, which would not automatically turn her work into BL or yuri ), but while she didn't write the novels herself, she watched over the entire writing process and even contributed, so it would be fair to say that everything in them is also canon and personally approved by the author! This is an excerpt from Wakamiya Shinobu's afterword in volume 3 of Caucus Race:  |
coalasJul 5, 2021 10:27 AM
coalas said: I'm pretty sure Noe also loves Domi, but unfortunately Noe is someone that isn't heedful, some scenes in the manga also indicate that Jun hints Domi is Noe's love interest, but for Vanitas x Jeanne I won't elaborate on VaniJeanne, but I wouldn't really go as far as say Dominique is Noé's love interest since her feelings remain one-sided . Her having feelings for him doesn't mean they'll eventually be reciprocated. Also, not trying to stir any controversy (I really like the way this discussion is progressing these last posts and agree re: Mochijun deliberately coding and/or writing her characters as queer both in PH and VnC, which would not automatically turn her work into BL or yuri ), but while she didn't write the novels herself, she watched over the entire writing process and even contributed, so it would be fair to say that everything in them is also canon and personally approved by the author! This is an excerpt from Wakamiya Shinobu's afterword in volume 3 of Caucus Race: btw saying it would be fair to say that everything in them is also canon, you sound like fujoshi that act as if all their ships are canon and attack those who disagree. |
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Lguanlin92 said: I'm pretty sure Noe also loves Domi, but unfortunately Noe is someone that isn't heedful, some scenes in the manga also indicate that Jun hints Domi is Noe's love interest, but for Vanitas x Jeanne btw saying it would be fair to say that everything in them is also canon, you sound like fujoshi that act as if all their ships are canon and attack those who disagree. Vanitas literally uses a word with heavy sexual connotations to describe the way Noé and Dominique act and drink each other's blood and Noé's only reaction is to go "hey, don't say stuff like that, you'll damage her reputation", which means he realizes the implications. He's just not in touch with his own feelings, whatever they end up being, but he's an adult and he's not stupid. It's obvious he cares about Dominique's wellbeing, enjoys her blood and wants to see her happy, but it is not portrayed as a romantic thing for him, which is exactly why he does not perceive her affections - like I said previously, just because she has feelings for him doesn't mean they'll be reciprocated in the end. I'm not saying things can't change and I honestly think these two would be cute if they got together, but as far as we've been shown (in multiple occasions), Noé doesn't see her that way at all. As for the novels, I don't think you understood what I said, so let me rephrase it: I meant that, since the novels are tie-in material that has been supervised and approved by the author herself, with the writer having received her direct creative input, they are a valid part of the Pandora Hearts canon and should be treated as such the same way you would with, say, extra stories from the volumes. I wasn't really talking about treating pairings as official when they were never outwardly confirmed when I said that, only that the text in them should be taken in consideration when talking about additional scenarios and characterization. I didn't attack anyone; I'm keeping my cool here and I won't really take it as a derogatory thing if you call me a fujoshi just for stating that simple fact lmao. |
coalasJul 5, 2021 8:00 PM
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Neostorm-X said: VelCake said: uhm.... I don't want to burst your bubble but Gil and Oz's romantic feelings for each other are canon in the novel lol (and the novel is canon) Like, MochiJun loves writing tragedy, but them and Elliot & Leo are proof that she isn't afraid of including queer characters in her stories. Same goes for Dominique, who openly flirts with men and women all the time thats completely false, the author stated many times that oz has a very strong friendship with gil and has no romantic feelings whatso ever. and eliot and leo aren't in a relationship ether they are literally very good friends who feel indebted to one another, you are literally making up shitty headcanons next you will say that gon is gay for killua, and naruto loves sasuke. I am begging you to do some reading on the concept of coding in fiction instead of just claiming every argument towards a different interpretation is a delusional fan's ramblings, seeing Elliot and Leo have quite enough subtext and parallels to other relationships in canon for that interpretation to arise. This phenomenon tends to happen when studying literature and, most recently, cinematographic media, so I do not see why that could not apply to a manga as well. |
coalasJul 6, 2021 9:08 AM
coalas said: Bruh, it's the kind of people like you that make Pandora Hearts considered BL bait by many people, because you're pushing too hard that they're canon and they have interest in each other, eventhough it's clearly just Fujo bait.Neostorm-X said: thats completely false, the author stated many times that oz has a very strong friendship with gil and has no romantic feelings whatso ever. and eliot and leo aren't in a relationship ether they are literally very good friends who feel indebted to one another, you are literally making up shitty headcanons next you will say that gon is gay for killua, and naruto loves sasuke. I am begging you to do some reading on the concept of coding in fiction instead of just claiming every argument towards a different interpretation is a delusional fan's ramblings, seeing Elliot and Leo have quite enough subtext and parallels to other relationships in canon for that interpretation to arise. This phenomenon tends to happen when studying literature and, most recently, cinematographic media, so I do not see why that could not apply to a manga as well. |
coalas said: Neostorm-X said: thats completely false, the author stated many times that oz has a very strong friendship with gil and has no romantic feelings whatso ever. and eliot and leo aren't in a relationship ether they are literally very good friends who feel indebted to one another, you are literally making up shitty headcanons next you will say that gon is gay for killua, and naruto loves sasuke. I am begging you to do some reading on the concept of coding in fiction instead of just claiming every argument towards a different interpretation is a delusional fan's ramblings, seeing Elliot and Leo have quite enough subtext and parallels to other relationships in canon for that interpretation to arise. This phenomenon tends to happen when studying literature and, most recently, cinematographic media, so I do not see why that could not apply to a manga as well. Dude, I think you just live in a fantasy world. you magnify small details and think what you want to think. Has the author confirmed that there is something between them? No. So stop spreading false information to people. They are not gay. |
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coalas said: I'm just going to say just look at the next chapter I'm pretty sure Noe's feelings for Dominique are also romantic feelings, no need to explain too long because I'm not great at that. and also why I said you might be the kind of Fujoshi who will attack people who disagree with them. because you are pushing your fantasies too much, what you say will only make people think of Vanitas no Carte and Pandora Hearts as BL bait when clearly they are not. Also romantic interest doesn't mean they have to end up together in the end, if you think all romantic interests always end up together then you are very wrong. romantic interest is a person who is considered to have an attraction to someone. So I'm just begging you to stop making these two shows look like BL bait, because I see you're kind of pushing it that way.Lguanlin92 said: I'm pretty sure Noe also loves Domi, but unfortunately Noe is someone that isn't heedful, some scenes in the manga also indicate that Jun hints Domi is Noe's love interest, but for Vanitas x Jeanne btw saying it would be fair to say that everything in them is also canon, you sound like fujoshi that act as if all their ships are canon and attack those who disagree. Vanitas literally uses a word with heavy sexual connotations to describe the way Noé and Dominique act and drink each other's blood and Noé's only reaction is to go "hey, don't say stuff like that, you'll damage her reputation", which means he realizes the implications. He's just not in touch with his own feelings, whatever they end up being, but he's an adult and he's not stupid. It's obvious he cares about Dominique's wellbeing, enjoys her blood and wants to see her happy, but it is not portrayed as a romantic thing for him, which is exactly why he does not perceive her affections - like I said previously, just because she has feelings for him doesn't mean they'll be reciprocated in the end. I'm not saying things can't change and I honestly think these two would be cute if they got together, but as far as we've been shown (in multiple occasions), Noé doesn't see her that way at all. As for the novels, I don't think you understood what I said, so let me rephrase it: I meant that, since the novels are tie-in material that has been supervised and approved by the author herself, with the writer having received her direct creative input, they are a valid part of the Pandora Hearts canon and should be treated as such the same way you would with, say, extra stories from the volumes. I wasn't really talking about treating pairings as official when they were never outwardly confirmed when I said that, only that the text in them should be taken in consideration when talking about additional scenarios and characterization. I didn't attack anyone; I'm keeping my cool here and I won't really take it as a derogatory thing if you call me a fujoshi just for stating that simple fact lmao. coalas said: You also made Pandora Hearts looks like BL bait, please don't mess this up and make people who hate BL not read it just because they misunderstood that it was BL bait. it's clearly just Fujo bait.I am begging you to do some reading on the concept of coding in fiction instead of just claiming every argument towards a different interpretation is a delusional fan's ramblings, seeing Elliot and Leo have quite enough subtext and parallels to other relationships in canon for that interpretation to arise. This phenomenon tends to happen when studying literature and, most recently, cinematographic media, so I do not see why that could not apply to a manga as well. |
Lguanlin92Jul 6, 2021 10:08 AM
Nobara98 said: Bruh, it's the kind of people like you that make Pandora Hearts considered BL bait by many people, because you're pushing too hard that they're canon and they have interest in each other, eventhough it's clearly just Fujo bait. meyve said: Dude, I think you just live in a fantasy world. you magnify small details and think what you want to think. Has the author confirmed that there is something between them? No. So stop spreading false information to people. They are not gay. Did the two of you conveniently skip the part where I clearly stated that these are points that people take as base for reaching such an interpretation and it does not necessarily mean it is canon or was Mochizuki Jun's intention after all? Literally just search these characters up and see what is people's reading of them and why they think the way they do. I assure you not everyone is just a "delusional fujoshi" but, like I said, people who feel their personal experiences are very similar to these characters. "They are not gay" well, they weren't ever clearly stated to be straight either. Stop assuming this is the default and keep in mind just having LGBT+ characters (which VnC already does, by the way) doesn't automatically turn something into a BL or yuri manga. 🤷 |
Lguanlin92 said: Also romantic interest doesn't mean they have to end up together in the end, if you think all romantic interests always end up together then you are very wrong. romantic interest is a person who is considered to have an attraction to someone. You're literally repeating what I said. That was exactly my point. |
coalas said: Nope, that's a lot different from what you're trying to stating before, my view is pretty clear you're trying to make sure that "hey this is BL", how you go into detail on small details even about Gil and Oz having a romantic interest doesn't make sense to me. Oz confirmed by the author to be with Echo if Echo is still alive. while Elliot and Leo their relationship looks more like Bromance. to me you are just pushing and making people misunderstand that Pandora Hearts was BL bait. though it was obviously just a Fujo bait like I said before.Nobara98 said: Bruh, it's the kind of people like you that make Pandora Hearts considered BL bait by many people, because you're pushing too hard that they're canon and they have interest in each other, eventhough it's clearly just Fujo bait. meyve said: Dude, I think you just live in a fantasy world. you magnify small details and think what you want to think. Has the author confirmed that there is something between them? No. So stop spreading false information to people. They are not gay. Did the two of you conveniently skip the part where I clearly stated that these are points that people take as base for reaching such an interpretation and it does not necessarily mean it is canon or was Mochizuki Jun's intention after all? Literally just search these characters up and see what is people's reading of them and why they think the way they do. I assure you not everyone is just a "delusional fujoshi" but, like I said, people who feel their personal experiences are very similar to these characters. "They are not gay" well, they weren't ever clearly stated to be straight either. Stop assuming this is the default and keep in mind just having LGBT+ characters (which VnC already does, by the way) doesn't automatically turn something into a BL or yuri manga. 🤷 |
| I wrote a similar topic about this matter. People can say whatever they want, but Vanitas no Carte won't become a BL and this comes from someone who ships Vanitas and Noé ö-ö It is clarified that Vanitas and Noé have their canon female love interests already. |
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TheOneOfSeven said: Nice to hear that, I'm proud of you, don't let you be like Mikayuu shippers from Seraph of the End, they are very delusional, they don't accept when I said Mika and Yuu relationship is just like Bromance they have no romantic feeling at all and they attack me. they insisted that Mikayuu was Canon.I wrote a similar topic about this matter. People can say whatever they want, but Vanitas no Carte won't become a BL and this comes from someone who ships Vanitas and Noé ö-ö It is clarified that Vanitas and Noé have their canon female love interests already. |
First things first, please tag your spoilers like I did. Not everyone that clicks this thread will be familiar with Pandora Hearts. Now, let me quote myself: (...) It is not a far-fetched reading of their bond at all. The thing about coding, whether it's intentional or not, is that is tends to leave room for plausible deniability. I don't mind if you read the manga and only saw them as friends, but given all these factors, you have to understand that people who read them that way are not incorrect regardless of authorial intention being present or not. 1) I listed the points that, if analysed together, would lead to this interpretation, that being the keyword. If said bait is elaborate enough to give people content to feel that way, then you can't really blame them for running with it. Personally, I know much more people that share this particular point of view than yours, so I'm not making it up as I go or being delusional - this is a very common take on Elliot and Leo. 2) Those scenes are still in the novels, whether they're meant to be romantic or not. Look them up and read them if you don't believe me, there's a lot more. I'm left wondering whatever would be the difference between "BL bait" and "fujo bait" because that separation makes no sense whatsoever, lmao. And for the last time: an eventual portrayal of a same-sex relationship would not turn any manga not specifically marketed as a BL or yuri into one. It's weird as hell how just saying something as simple as "hey, there's enough basis for people to see this relationship as more than friendly if they want to" gets so many people mad, especially because I'm not trying to force anyone to think the same way I do or say you're wrong to see things from a platonic perspective. Both of us are allowed to have our takes on the original text based on personal experiences and neither is more "correct" than the other. If you have a problem with accepting that, that's on you. I'm out. I said what I needed to say. Lguanlin92 said: Nice to hear that, I'm proud of you, don't let you be like Mikayuu shippers from Seraph of the End, they are very delusional, they don't accept when I said Mika and Yuu relationship is just like Bromance they have no romantic feeling at all and they attack me. they insisted that Mikayuu was Canon. I mean, it is one-sided. |
coalasJul 6, 2021 11:53 AM
coalas said: Lmao, Are you Mikayuu shippers?? so does the word i love you mean same as have romantic feelings?? well i love you has many meanings in this case it could mean it is love as family.Lguanlin92 said: Nice to hear that, I'm proud of you, don't let you be like Mikayuu shippers from Seraph of the End, they are very delusional, they don't accept when I said Mika and Yuu relationship is just like Bromance they have no romantic feeling at all and they attack me. they insisted that Mikayuu was Canon. I mean, it is one-sided. |
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Lguanlin92 said: Lmao, Are you Mikayuu shippers?? so does the word i love you mean same as have romantic feelings?? well i love you has many meanings in this case it could mean it is love as family. I'm not. I don't really care about Owari no Seraph, last time I read this was years ago, but I have friends who are very invested in the manga. As soon as I sent it I was sure you'd claim this scene was platonic because of course it was and you just proved my point, lol. Since "I love you" has many meanings, why is it such an issue for you if this is understood as romantic by some people? You should really stop and think why your first impulse is to try and shoot such an open display of affection from a guy to another guy down while you're also claiming another guy who has never demonstrated any romantic feelings towards a girl is undeniably in love with her but too slow to realize. Like I said to the person before you: I'm out. This is fruitless. |
coalasJul 6, 2021 12:49 PM
coalas said: it wouldn't matter if it wasn't from Mikayuu delusional shippers, but as you know Mikayuu shipers are very toxic, I once told them it's impossible Mikayuu become canon, because they Mika and Yuu are brothers eventhough they're not blood related and they only care about each other because they're brothers, but they attack me instead with absurd reasons and accuse me of homophobia. they are the most annoying and delusional Fujo shipers. just my problem with some of toxic Mikayuu shippers.Lguanlin92 said: Lmao, Are you Mikayuu shippers?? so does the word i love you mean same as have romantic feelings?? well i love you has many meanings in this case it could mean it is love as family. I'm not. I don't really care about Owari no Seraph, last time I read this was years ago, but I have friends who are very invested in the manga. As soon as I sent it I was sure you'd claim this scene was platonic because of course it was and you just proved my point, lol. Since "I love you" has many meanings, why is it such an issue for you if this is understood as romantic by some people? You should really stop and think why your first impulse is to try and shoot such an open display of affection from a guy to another guy down while you're also claiming another guy who has never demonstrated any romantic feelings towards a girl is undeniably in love with her but too slow to realize. Like I said to the person before you: I'm out. This is fruitless. coalas said: Both are clearly very different, the usual BL bait for a show that doesn't have the Yaoi/Shounen Ai tag but has that element to the story for example like No.6, while Fujo bait is usually to baiting the Fujoshi to watch the show more like queerbaiting. from this alone the two are very different. tbh I just don't like how you kind of push the two and make Pandora Hearts look like BL bait, in fact you wrote a very long post just because someone said these two don't have romantic feelings and are just very good friends. both of them have the feeling of just Fujoshi interpretations when you see two men so close it means they are gay, why spend your time writing that long if you don't try to push and convince it's BL, it's pretty clear seeing your motives here.I'm left wondering whatever would be the difference between "BL bait" and "fujo bait" because that separation makes no sense whatsoever, lmao. And for the last time: an eventual portrayal of a same-sex relationship would not turn any manga not specifically marketed as a BL or yuri into one. I just don't want people who don't like BL/Yaoi to get the wrong idea because your post clearly pushing it's BL bait. thus preventing people who don't like BL/Yaoi from reading or watching Pandora Hearts. |
Lguanlin92Jul 8, 2021 12:32 AM
Lguanlin92 said: I have nothing to say about the MikaYuu ship to be honest, people can believe whatever they want, same goes with Langa and Reki in SK8. As long as people can come on respectful terms, then we have nothing to worry about.TheOneOfSeven said: Nice to hear that, I'm proud of you, don't let you be like Mikayuu shippers from Seraph of the End, they are very delusional, they don't accept when I said Mika and Yuu relationship is just like Bromance they have no romantic feeling at all and they attack me. they insisted that Mikayuu was Canon.I wrote a similar topic about this matter. People can say whatever they want, but Vanitas no Carte won't become a BL and this comes from someone who ships Vanitas and Noé ö-ö It is clarified that Vanitas and Noé have their canon female love interests already. |
TheOneOfSevenJul 6, 2021 3:42 PM
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| No yaoi. But there is some yuri/ girl on girl action. |
Old_School_AkiraJul 6, 2021 9:14 PM
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| @Neostorm-X this dude's motive is very clear, the thread you made is correct so people don't misunderstand the BL bait, but he seems to force his interpretation as if Pandora Hearts and Vanitas no Carte are Yaoi and when they are not. tbh I just don't like how he kind of push the two and make Pandora Hearts look like BL bait, in fact he wrote a very long post just because someone said these two don't have romantic feelings and are just very good friends. both of them have the feeling of just Fujoshi interpretations when you see two men so close it means they are gay, why spend his time writing that long if him don't try to push and convince it's BL, it's pretty clear seeing his motives here. |
| I've already stated I left this discussion two days ago but, since you insist on misinterpreting what I wrote either out of bad faith or true incomprehension, I'll say my last on this matter. I did not want to resort to this because I usually hate when people pull this card in discussions, but: First, you cannot tell me I'm "ruining" anything or being unhelpful when I've convinced at least twenty to thirty acquaintances to read PH and VnC throughout the years, constantly put out fanworks and posts promoting both series and financially support Mochizuki's stories. I've been a fan of her work for over a decade now and reread it multiple times. My "nitpicking" of small details is not limited to the relationships between her characters, since I do enjoy trying to find hints and foreshadowing in her worldbuilding and dialogue along with friends, same as I would with any piece of media that strikes my interest. Every creation of hers is an intricate puzzle and trying to put these pieces together is a very pleasurable experience. These things are not mutually exclusive; rather, they're enriching since no one enjoys a story with characters they don't care about. Second, I've received several private messages over the last days in support for speaking up, far more people than there are in this thread feeling validated because they're going four against one. Make of that what you will. I know this has, unfortunately, been a very common attitude both online and offline for the past few years, but you really need to develop better argumentation skills than saying everyone that disagrees with you on the internet is either hallucinating or in acute mental distress. The usage of the word "triggering" is quite telling in this context. I've remained levelheaded throughout all my posts, cited sources and gave in-depth explanations for my points and why people might reach similar conclusions to the ones I've listed and never said they were an absolute truth; yet, you keep answering me with "you're crazy and there's no way something like this would ever happen because it was never openly stated" (as if fiction has never been nuanced before). And for the last damn time: even if there were an actual canonically stated relationship between any same-sex characters it would not turn the story into BL - yes, I do have a hard time thinking of a proper reason why anyone would find the idea of reading a story with non-heterosexual characters abhorrent enough to avoid it. I am a lesbian and therefore have no desire to engage romantically with men in real life, but have no problem whatsoever reading or watching a fictional love story between a man and a woman as long as it's well developed, same as I would with BL or GL. Once again: I'm out. I have no obligation to spend any more of my time exchanging words with someone who's disrespectful. |
coalasJul 8, 2021 2:35 PM
VelCake said: Have you even read the novels? More specifically, the story "Black Widow", and specially the epilogue part (pg. 155 onwards). Because it sounds like you haven't AND you didn't understand Pandora as a whole. It isn't anywhere as simple as Gil only being loyal to Oz due to his "brainwashing" - if it were, he would have simply stopped working with Oz and caring about him or shifted his attitude towards him like he did with Vincent after remembering his past. I am apalled that you are so evidently against "people of this movement" without even paying attention to the story itself. No part of the novel explicitly states that they love each other, and the author has not confirmed this. You can think what you want but you have to stop spreading false information that they are gay. This is getting annoying |
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meyve said: VelCake said: Have you even read the novels? More specifically, the story "Black Widow", and specially the epilogue part (pg. 155 onwards). Because it sounds like you haven't AND you didn't understand Pandora as a whole. It isn't anywhere as simple as Gil only being loyal to Oz due to his "brainwashing" - if it were, he would have simply stopped working with Oz and caring about him or shifted his attitude towards him like he did with Vincent after remembering his past. I am apalled that you are so evidently against "people of this movement" without even paying attention to the story itself. No part of the novel explicitly states that they love each other, and the author has not confirmed this. You can think what you want but you have to stop spreading false information that they are gay. This is getting annoying I'm not sure why that seems to make you so mad but... whatever you say. |
VelCake said: meyve said: No part of the novel explicitly states that they love each other, and the author has not confirmed this. You can think what you want but you have to stop spreading false information that they are gay. This is getting annoying I'm not sure why that seems to make you so mad but... whatever you say. Still it doesn't mean they wanna fck eachother you know? As I said again, open statements such as "I love you, I like you, I want to go out with you" were not used. None of this means they have romantic feelings for each other. |
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VelCake said: meyve said: No part of the novel explicitly states that they love each other, and the author has not confirmed this. You can think what you want but you have to stop spreading false information that they are gay. This is getting annoying I'm not sure why that seems to make you so mad but... whatever you say. Hey kid look, i get that you never had friends las a kid and stayed in your parents basement all day so you would assume any kindness shown to friends = they fucking. But you realize sometimes close friends act like this towards each other right? Its extremely common in asian and some european cultures, Lots of europeans kiss each other to greet friends, you and your amerifats with your progressive agenda is cancer to the anime community, EVERY character needs to be gay to you eh? |
Neostorm-X said: Hey kid look, i get that you never had friends las a kid and stayed in your parents basement all day so you would assume any kindness shown to friends = they fucking. But you realize sometimes close friends act like this towards each other right? Its extremely common in asian and some european cultures, Lots of europeans kiss each other to greet friends, you and your amerifats with your progressive agenda is cancer to the anime community, EVERY character needs to be gay to you eh? I also love to kiss my homies and I tell them that I love them on the regular and we sometimes fuck too |
Neostorm-X said: Hey kid look, i get that you never had friends las a kid and stayed in your parents basement all day so you would assume any kindness shown to friends = they fucking. But you realize sometimes close friends act like this towards each other right? Its extremely common in asian and some european cultures, Lots of europeans kiss each other to greet friends, you and your amerifats with your progressive agenda is cancer to the anime community, EVERY character needs to be gay to you eh? @meyve What do you expect from her though She's probably a Fujoshi she probably thinks every male friendship is somehow ''gay'' and I wouldn't be surprised if she's one of those people who complain about the sexualisation of girls in Shonen then goes on to read Yaoi ''rape'' manga/fan-fics e.g killing stalking |
Neostorm-X said: Hey kid look, i get that you never had friends las a kid and stayed in your parents basement all day so you would assume any kindness shown to friends = they fucking. But you realize sometimes close friends act like this towards each other right? Its extremely common in asian and some european cultures, Lots of europeans kiss each other to greet friends, you and your amerifats with your progressive agenda is cancer to the anime community, EVERY character needs to be gay to you eh? lol, this is hysterical. you're having a hissy fit over whether two fictional guys are fucking each other. in another manga. |
nagi_akuma said: Neostorm-X said: Hey kid look, i get that you never had friends las a kid and stayed in your parents basement all day so you would assume any kindness shown to friends = they fucking. But you realize sometimes close friends act like this towards each other right? Its extremely common in asian and some european cultures, Lots of europeans kiss each other to greet friends, you and your amerifats with your progressive agenda is cancer to the anime community, EVERY character needs to be gay to you eh? @meyve What do you expect from her though She's probably a Fujoshi she probably thinks every male friendship is somehow ''gay'' and I wouldn't be surprised if she's one of those people who complain about the sexualisation of girls in Shonen then goes on to read Yaoi ''rape'' manga/fan-fics e.g killing stalking I just can't stand people spreading misinformation about this manga. I'm not a homophobic I'm okay with the shounen/shoujo ai series but this manga isn't like that and it's so annoying that some people think it is and tell people it is. |
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