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Now I'm big fan of shonen. so this show is checking a lot of boxes but what keeps it from being a masterpiece is one thing that is pretty important to have. It's kind of committing the same mistake has had with not a real supporting cast. You heard me guys. This show's supporting cast is nearly non-existent. I understand wanting to have a focus but having no one else to root for and cheer one is pretty whack. You could argue his sister and maybe Jinho but homie is legit just doing it himself.

If Solo Leveling wants to reach masterpiece status, it will need an effective supporting cast as many of the best shonen give you this. To just name a few Hunter x hunter, Yu Yu Haushdo, Shaman King, DBZ(Yes, I know it has flaws but Bulma and Roshi are so important), Jujutsu Kaisen(Shinbuya arc showed why having one is o important), and MHA(Okay I'm an MHA fan but I think it has a good one.). This needs to be address as Solo Leveling will be just in the A tier of its run until it can give you those supporting characters to root for.(I know Cha Hae-in has pretty hype but she needs more screen time.). Don't jump me as I know people think this show can't do no wrong but as a fan of the show they need to do more.

Good point. It's refreshing to see such fans in the SL community who are free from toxicity and actually are capable of reason. And to answer your question, SL will have supporting cast in the upcoming seasons.

@aurora_yuuki Well when you have been watching this genre since you're a kid you pick up on things. I also try my best to be objective in these spaces as it seems to be a competition of what the shonen is. I have my opinion on that but I prefer to talk about these shows ad breakdown the good nad bad. Good to know a supporting cast is coming.

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I think the music and animation are really the only A tier things about this show. It's fun to watch and I won't be missing an episode, but the writing is really only surface level for any of the characters, even Jin-woo. And if they continue to adapt the manhwa faithfully, it won't be changing any time soon. Which is fine. Sometimes I just like to watch cool fights yknow.

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I think the music and animation are really the only A tier things about this show. It's fun to watch and I won't be missing an episode, but the writing is really only surface level for any of the characters, even Jin-woo. And if they continue to adapt the manhwa faithfully, it won't be changing any time soon. Which is fine. Sometimes I just like to watch cool fights yknow.

@jazzgolem It hasn't been that one for one. I do like the changes to his character as manhwa is just a douchebag with OP skills. I like cool fights too but you need effective writing and depth to be truly a masterpiece. Hajime No Ippo has shown you can have amazing fights and excellent character depth within the same story.

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Why need a supporting cast when the main character is that good. Most times you need a supporting cast because the main character is not interesting enough or just straight up annoying like the dandadan mc.

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Why need a supporting cast when the main character is that good. Most times you need a supporting cast because the main character is not interesting enough or just straight up annoying like the dandadan mc.

@MahirBH7 This is a very foolish question to ask. Let's go with Pokemon for example. We go with the classic version. That show doesn't work if it just Ash. The show gets better when he gets friends to bounce off and develop a dynamic with. There is a reason people to this day think Brock, Misty, and Ash were a perfect trio. Those early seasons of Pokemon had such amazing characters like May and Dawn.

Jinho currently lacks someone to play off of. We had some of that with Jinho but he isn't round enough to keep that dynamic to further develop. The reason you need supporting cast in shows like this as your main character needs someone to bounce off with and interact as it is just going to be boring. Another good example of how supporting cast can help with the development of main cast is To Your Eternity. I won't go into now due to me being tried but that show is really good about developing Fushu. Jinwoo right now is a cool character and does have some interest quips but right now he is just cool guy with cool powers. It's very surface level.

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MasterHavik said:
@MahirBH7 This is a very foolish question to ask. Let's go with Pokemon for example. We go with the classic version. That show doesn't work if it just Ash. The show gets better when he gets friends to bounce off and develop a dynamic with. There is a reason people to this day think Brock, Misty, and Ash were a perfect trio. Those early seasons of Pokemon had such amazing characters like May and Dawn.

Jinho currently lacks someone to play off of. We had some of that with Jinho but he isn't round enough to keep that dynamic to further develop. The reason you need supporting cast in shows like this as your main character needs someone to bounce off with and interact as it is just going to be boring. Another good example of how supporting cast can help with the development of main cast is To Your Eternity. I won't go into now due to me being tried but that show is really good about developing Fushu. Jinwoo right now is a cool character and does have some interest quips but right now he is just cool guy with cool powers. It's very surface level.

Yeah, some shows elevate the material through side characters. But some anime like jjk depend too much on side characters and the mc is basically a cuckoo. So I think jinwoo's character is good enough where he doesn't have to rely on the side characters too much. Not every show needs to flesh out side characters. Although I agree that this may not be a masterpice, I think I enjoyed some parts of this more than those so called masterpieces.

Mar 23, 2:36 AM

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I knew you would say that before I even read the post. But to be fair, it's called "SOLO leveling", so it makes sense to focus on only 1 person.

Mar 23, 2:45 AM

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It's called solo leveling, not community leveling. A more annoying issue is Jin taking too long to help and waiting for the last moment

Mar 23, 2:49 AM

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Agreed,

As much as I enjoy the show so far, one thing I dislike about it is how useless the supporting characters are,
Even those S-rank hunters, which are supposed to be among the best of hunters, are unfortunately just cannon fodders at this point, they exist just to make Sung Jin Woo look good.

This show feels more parody than One Punch Man

Also as manhwa reader, let me warn that this show will be more ridiculous as the story advances, this Jeju Island arc is the last good arc imo.

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MasterHavik said:
Now I'm big fan of shonen. so this show is checking a lot of boxes but what keeps it from being a masterpiece is one thing that is pretty important to have. It's kind of committing the same mistake has had with not a real supporting cast. You heard me guys. This show's supporting cast is nearly non-existent. I understand wanting to have a focus but having no one else to root for and cheer one is pretty whack. You could argue his sister and maybe Jinho but homie is legit just doing it himself.

If Solo Leveling wants to reach masterpiece status, it will need an effective supporting cast as many of the best shonen give you this. To just name a few Hunter x hunter, Yu Yu Haushdo, Shaman King, DBZ(Yes, I know it has flaws but Bulma and Roshi are so important), Jujutsu Kaisen(Shinbuya arc showed why having one is o important), and MHA(Okay I'm an MHA fan but I think it has a good one.). This needs to be address as Solo Leveling will be just in the A tier of its run until it can give you those supporting characters to root for.(I know Cha Hae-in has pretty hype but she needs more screen time.). Don't jump me as I know people think this show can't do no wrong but as a fan of the show they need to do more.

look the supporting cast of SL is just his shadows. they didn't include many good interaction of shadow may that's why

Mar 23, 3:05 AM

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L take. It’s the whole premise of the manhwa. Typical Shonen fan, seeing the series you’ve rated at 10/10 completely discredits your opinion. Appreciate you outing yourself as a MHA fan tho. Just because SL doesnt fit the mold doesn’t mean it’s of lesser quality. Plus it’s not even Japanese. Most of those shonen series you mentioned have supporting characters but ultimately theyre not strong enough so the MC wins. Don’t believe anyone has considered SL a masterpiece before it was animated. One of the top manhwa but when compared to all manga it’s not even top 50.

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I do not understand this argument that there must always be a group of adventurers / hunters (etc) to cheer on for some people to be happy with the anime.

Jin-woo is the perfect former E-Rank “savior”, that all these arrogant conceited annoying high-horse riding disdainful hunters, didn’t know they needed, to save them from certain death, and finally humble themselves, as they realize that they are but nothing in the real scheme of things.

I’m happy that someone like Jin-woo is showing them how puny and insignificant all of them are, compared to what the truly elite enemies can do to these weak humans.

I don’t need to see the “power of friends” anime trope in Solo Leveling, I need to see the solo human that levels up enough to take on the worst enemies by himself and defeat them.

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Mar 23, 6:51 AM

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What an awful idea, cheerleaders are the last thing this show needs.

Mar 23, 8:16 AM

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The show is called “Solo Leveling” for a reason

Mar 23, 8:24 AM

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MasterHavik said:
has had with not a real supporting cast

It's called Solo Leveling and not Team Leveling for a reason my dude!!
You just have to accept that not every anime is going to follow the same rules/formula.

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While I agree that this anime needs better supporting characters, I'm still enjoying it for what it is, just a good fun anime with great animation that you can watch and simply turn your brain off and enjoy. The thing I don't enjoy is how they remove some characters from the story, they removed the healer girl from S1E1, you know, that lovely girl that used to care for the MC and heal him at the beginning when he was a nobody, and the MC, this mother fucker, as soon as he got strong he stopped caring about her, that was a dick move. That girl appears for a bit here and there but she's just an extra at this point which is sad, she deserved better than this, and Esil which I considered to be the best character in this franchise, disappeared from the story as well and she won't appear again for the rest of the story, these are my complaints about this anime.

Other than this, I'm enjoying the rest, it's not a masterpiece, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

Mar 23, 9:16 AM

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I knew you would say that before I even read the post. But to be fair, it's called "SOLO leveling", so it makes sense to focus on only 1 person.

@heroofmm Just because it's in the title doesn't mean you can't have a supporting cast. Bayonetta is called Bayonetta but she even has help from Jeanne, Luka, and a few other characters. I get people like to take titles literally but come on now.

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MasterHavik said:
Now I'm big fan of shonen. so this show is checking a lot of boxes but what keeps it from being a masterpiece is one thing that is pretty important to have. It's kind of committing the same mistake has had with not a real supporting cast. You heard me guys. This show's supporting cast is nearly non-existent. I understand wanting to have a focus but having no one else to root for and cheer one is pretty whack. You could argue his sister and maybe Jinho but homie is legit just doing it himself.

If Solo Leveling wants to reach masterpiece status, it will need an effective supporting cast as many of the best shonen give you this. To just name a few Hunter x hunter, Yu Yu Haushdo, Shaman King, DBZ(Yes, I know it has flaws but Bulma and Roshi are so important), Jujutsu Kaisen(Shinbuya arc showed why having one is o important), and MHA(Okay I'm an MHA fan but I think it has a good one.). This needs to be address as Solo Leveling will be just in the A tier of its run until it can give you those supporting characters to root for.(I know Cha Hae-in has pretty hype but she needs more screen time.). Don't jump me as I know people think this show can't do no wrong but as a fan of the show they need to do more.

look the supporting cast of SL is just his shadows. they didn't include many good interaction of shadow may that's why

@Chits_99 LOL! Okay this is funny post!

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Mar 23, 9:21 AM

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Agreed,

As much as I enjoy the show so far, one thing I dislike about it is how useless the supporting characters are,
Even those S-rank hunters, which are supposed to be among the best of hunters, are unfortunately just cannon fodders at this point, they exist just to make Sung Jin Woo look good.

This show feels more parody than One Punch Man

Also as manhwa reader, let me warn that this show will be more ridiculous as the story advances, this Jeju Island arc is the last good arc imo.

@Rinrinka I have been seeing conflicting information regarding later on. I do have the webtoon in my favorites. I should read it but a good supporting cast makes things so much fun for shows like this. Also to be fair the S rank hunters legit got jump by an SS tier ant. I do like that Jinwoo struggles from time to time but can understand if people see other hunters as just jobbers. For a show that has been good about respecting its rankings it's kind of not a good look when other S ranks are just getting one shot.

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Mar 23, 9:25 AM

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It's called solo leveling, not community leveling. A more annoying issue is Jin taking too long to help and waiting for the last moment

@Wonderaqua It should be noted the reason Jin has turned down Guild offers is due to him wanting to start his own guild...so you kind of need a supporting cast.

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Mar 23, 9:26 AM

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MasterHavik said:
has had with not a real supporting cast

It's called Solo Leveling and not Team Leveling for a reason my dude!!
You just have to accept that not every anime is going to follow the same rules/formula.

@Yaggamy From what I have gathered that isn't the case. It's going to be changing for the better as he wants to start his own Guild. Jinwoo wouldn't be flying solo forever. There is a reason he is still fucking with Jinho.

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Mar 23, 9:27 AM

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L take. It’s the whole premise of the manhwa. Typical Shonen fan, seeing the series you’ve rated at 10/10 completely discredits your opinion. Appreciate you outing yourself as a MHA fan tho. Just because SL doesnt fit the mold doesn’t mean it’s of lesser quality. Plus it’s not even Japanese. Most of those shonen series you mentioned have supporting characters but ultimately theyre not strong enough so the MC wins. Don’t believe anyone has considered SL a masterpiece before it was animated. One of the top manhwa but when compared to all manga it’s not even top 50.

@Yaboku_ You just now made a post despite your account being like having an account for 8 years. LOL! Go fuck yourself dude with your clown shit.

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@Yaggamy From what I have gathered that isn't the case. It's going to be changing for the better as he wants to start his own Guild. Jinwoo wouldn't be flying solo forever. There is a reason he is still fucking with Jinho.

MasterHavik said:
From what I have gathered that isn't the case.

Oh boy, you gathered it wrong!!!

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People are gonna argue "Well the show is called SOLO leveling! Of course only 1 character will matter!" as if that's actually a valid argument. Naruto is literally named after its main character, yet the supporting cast is still extremely important. The name "Solo Leveling" is literally referring to him leveling up his powers on his own as well...it has nothing to do with the supporting cast not being important. People just say ANYTHING to defend the show at this point.

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Why need a supporting cast when the main character is that good. Most times you need a supporting cast because the main character is not interesting enough or just straight up annoying like the dandadan mc.

@MahirBH7 That's...just not true? Like what are you even saying?

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I do not understand this argument that there must always be a group of adventurers / hunters (etc) to cheer on for some people to be happy with the anime.

Jin-woo is the perfect former E-Rank “savior”, that all these arrogant conceited annoying high-horse riding disdainful hunters, didn’t know they needed, to save them from certain death, and finally humble themselves, as they realize that they are but nothing in the real scheme of things.

I’m happy that someone like Jin-woo is showing them how puny and insignificant all of them are, compared to what the truly elite enemies can do to these weak humans.

I don’t need to see the “power of friends” anime trope in Solo Leveling, I need to see the solo human that levels up enough to take on the worst enemies by himself and defeat them.

@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

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@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

yes, somehow playing it safe means he has become arrogant. If this seems arrogant to you, you are better of watching the power of Friendship shounen where the mc can not think about anything charges into all situation without any plan.

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Yeah, that's the biggest flaw in this series. Nothing is as off-putting as the lack of good side characters.People watching anime always have their favorite characters and very often they are secondary or even third-rate characters.Characters with good personalities, with relationships with good plots, etc. Antagonists are important too. If you're going to introduce them, for God's sake don't make fun of them every time the MC shows up. There is none of that here. The argument that this is Solo leveling SOLO is idiotic Just because Jinwoo can improve doesn't mean the rest shouldn't exist This is not what good plot writing looks like. To create an interesting story you need flesh and blood characters , not NPCs. If a series doesn't have an original and interesting plot, it's the characters that save it. If there aren't any characters, it's bad.Even beautiful fights won't make up for this emptiness. I'm a fan of a lot of characters who have their own stories etc. that's why I'm so emotional about it

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I guess that's why it's called >Solo< Leveling.

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MasterHavik said:
From what I have gathered that isn't the case.

Oh boy, you gathered it wrong!!!

@Yaggamy He can't be that self centered....bro the more I learn about Jinwoo in the books the more I don't like him. He is like the biggest douchebag on the planet that is so selfish. No wonder the anime has legit done their best to tone down the douchebag aspects of the character. I know the one where he kind of blows of Jinho was like, "Wow dude.....you're a jackass." If this show wants to stay popular, they better make sure to know when to make changes as that is mega douche levels right there.

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@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

yes, somehow playing it safe means he has become arrogant. If this seems arrogant to you, you are better of watching the power of Friendship shounen where the mc can not think about anything charges into all situation without any plan.

@MahirBH7 I mean I get wanting to take care of your mom and having faith in other hunters as he acknowledges they're strong but I think he doesn't realize how messed up the Jeju island situation that staying home isn't on the table. I wouldn't say he's arrogant but kind of not the mos rational thinker.

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@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

Ok … please provide an example of this claim you made about Jin-woo and how he has mistreated others ?

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MasterHavik said:
Now I'm big fan of shonen. so this show is checking a lot of boxes but what keeps it from being a masterpiece is one thing that is pretty important to have. It's kind of committing the same mistake has had with not a real supporting cast. You heard me guys. This show's supporting cast is nearly non-existent. I understand wanting to have a focus but having no one else to root for and cheer one is pretty whack. You could argue his sister and maybe Jinho but homie is legit just doing it himself.

If Solo Leveling wants to reach masterpiece status, it will need an effective supporting cast as many of the best shonen give you this. To just name a few Hunter x hunter, Yu Yu Haushdo, Shaman King, DBZ(Yes, I know it has flaws but Bulma and Roshi are so important), Jujutsu Kaisen(Shinbuya arc showed why having one is o important), and MHA(Okay I'm an MHA fan but I think it has a good one.). This needs to be address as Solo Leveling will be just in the A tier of its run until it can give you those supporting characters to root for.(I know Cha Hae-in has pretty hype but she needs more screen time.). Don't jump me as I know people think this show can't do no wrong but as a fan of the show they need to do more.

solo leveling isn't a shonen

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What an awful idea, cheerleaders are the last thing this show needs.

@Zarutaku Then what does it need the most?

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@Zarutaku Then what does it need the most?

@aurora_yuuki Some spicy romances, Jinwoo is an over-the-top gigachad after all, absolutely unbelievable that any man with a healthy sex drive wouldn't make use of that.

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@Zarutaku Then what does it need the most?

@aurora_yuuki It needed more of Esil, WAY more.

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@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

yes, somehow playing it safe means he has become arrogant. If this seems arrogant to you, you are better of watching the power of Friendship shounen where the mc can not think about anything charges into all situation without any plan.

@MahirBH7 Has nothing to do with him "playing it safe". He just genuinely became arrogant the stronger he got. Tbf it's a bit subtle hence why you probably didn't even notice it, but he definitely looks down on hunters who are weaker than him now. Even when he's "saving" other characters, more often than not he sees it as a chore/nuisance.

Also pretending that all of the hunters who were stronger than him were arrogant or disdainful is disingenuous at best. How was the S rank who can turn into a beast arrogant or disdainful?

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@ejleon You do realize that Jinwoo has become more arrogant, conceited and high-horse riding than any of those so called "disdainful hunters" right? The only difference is that the narrative rewards him for it because he's somehow "more important than them" because uhhhh...reasons.

Ok … please provide an example of this claim you made about Jin-woo and how he has mistreated others ?

@ejleon When did I claim he mistreated others?

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@aurora_yuuki It needed more of Esil, WAY more.

@xZabuzax She is the very definition of a cheerleader though? Doesn't that...literally contradict your original point?

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@ejleon When did I claim he mistreated others?

I knew you didn’t understand my comment.

My first point is that it seems like many of the strongest people in this world look down on and disdain many weak or powerless people, which results in an arrogant bias and mistreatment of people “below” them.

My second point was that Jin-woo coming from being E-Rank status, was not like that and he didn’t think like those others.

But you claimed that Jin-woo was not just the same, but even worse, so I asked you provide support for your claim.

Only for you to admit that you did understand my points at all.

Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

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SkyhighCFC said:
@ejleon When did I claim he mistreated others?

I knew you didn’t understand my comment.

My first point is that it seems like many of the strongest people in this world look down on and disdain many weak or powerless people, which results in an arrogant bias and mistreatment of people “below” them.

My second point was that Jin-woo coming from being E-Rank status, was not like that and he didn’t think like those others.

But you claimed that Jin-woo was not just the same, but even worse, so I asked you provide support for your claim.

Only for you to admit that you did understand my points at all.

@ejleon ...what? That isn't what you said at all, nor would any normal person think that you meant that from your original comment. How does "the hunters are arrogant, conceited, and high-horse riding" equate to them mistreating others? You can be all of those things without actually mistreating people.

Anyways...even if that's your argument, you are still wrong either way. Sure there were definitely some hunters who were like that, but I wouldn't even say the majority of them were like this. Not only that, but SJW himself definitely started to look down on those weaker than himself too. He wouldn't outright show it or mistreat others like some of these other guys, but he definitely didn't show much care for those who were weaker than him. Even with Jinho, someone he has a mostly positive relationship with, you can tell he sees himself as superior to him in every way.

He isn't a charismatic "zero to hero" because unlike most characters of these archetypes, he does not retain the humility he had when he was at the bottom in any way, shape, or form.

Mar 23, 5:33 PM

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MasterHavik said:
Now I'm big fan of shonen. so this show is checking a lot of boxes but what keeps it from being a masterpiece is one thing that is pretty important to have. It's kind of committing the same mistake has had with not a real supporting cast. You heard me guys. This show's supporting cast is nearly non-existent. I understand wanting to have a focus but having no one else to root for and cheer one is pretty whack. You could argue his sister and maybe Jinho but homie is legit just doing it himself.

If Solo Leveling wants to reach masterpiece status, it will need an effective supporting cast as many of the best shonen give you this. To just name a few Hunter x hunter, Yu Yu Haushdo, Shaman King, DBZ(Yes, I know it has flaws but Bulma and Roshi are so important), Jujutsu Kaisen(Shinbuya arc showed why having one is o important), and MHA(Okay I'm an MHA fan but I think it has a good one.). This needs to be address as Solo Leveling will be just in the A tier of its run until it can give you those supporting characters to root for.(I know Cha Hae-in has pretty hype but she needs more screen time.). Don't jump me as I know people think this show can't do no wrong but as a fan of the show they need to do more.

solo leveling isn't a shonen

@Spoof_490 It's textbook shonen. LOL!

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Mar 23, 5:36 PM

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@ejleon ...what? That isn't what you said at all, nor would any normal person think that you meant that from your original comment. How does "the hunters are arrogant, conceited, and high-horse riding" equate to them mistreating others? You can be all of those things without actually mistreating people.

Anyways...even if that's your argument, you are still wrong either way. Sure there were definitely some hunters who were like that, but I wouldn't even say the majority of them were like this. Not only that, but SJW himself definitely started to look down on those weaker than himself too. He wouldn't outright show it or mistreat others like some of these other guys, but he definitely didn't show much care for those who were weaker than him. Even with Jinho, someone he has a mostly positive relationship with, you can tell he sees himself as superior to him in every way.

He isn't a charismatic "zero to hero" because unlike most characters of these archetypes, he does not retain the humility he had when he was at the bottom in any way, shape, or form.

@SkyhighCFC I think I would say it is becoming a little hard to root for him. I hope this doesn't become another Shield Hero where the main character is legit a dick but never gets called out for it. Jinwoo right now is a good balance but I'm not a fan of him staying home despite knowing how important this mission was.

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Mar 23, 6:19 PM

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@Spoof_490 It's textbook shonen. LOL!

@MasterHavik shonen isn't a genre, it's a demographic.

Mar 23, 6:25 PM

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SkyhighCFC said:
@ejleon ...what? That isn't what you said at all, nor would any normal person think that you meant that from your original comment. How does "the hunters are arrogant, conceited, and high-horse riding" equate to them mistreating others? You can be all of those things without actually mistreating people.

Anyways...even if that's your argument, you are still wrong either way. Sure there were definitely some hunters who were like that, but I wouldn't even say the majority of them were like this. Not only that, but SJW himself definitely started to look down on those weaker than himself too. He wouldn't outright show it or mistreat others like some of these other guys, but he definitely didn't show much care for those who were weaker than him. Even with Jinho, someone he has a mostly positive relationship with, you can tell he sees himself as superior to him in every way.

He isn't a charismatic "zero to hero" because unlike most characters of these archetypes, he does not retain the humility he had when he was at the bottom in any way, shape, or form.

I really didn’t need to spell it out like that, because I have never heard of anyone with all those awful qualities I mentioned, that didn’t mistreat others in history.

From political leaders - to the richest - to musicians / actors - to athletes in sports, everyone who has those awful qualities, has mistreated to people due to their pride.

Who do you know that has all those awful qualities, but still treats people well?

In the show, I was referring to the strongest hunters, not all hunters, and the only ones not like that seem to be the Baek Yoonho, Cha Hae-In, Go Gunhee (three characters that have a good amount of screen time) the rest seem to have a sense of superiority to their personality, which affects how they treat people of different levels.

You are wrong about Jin-woo. He is not disdaining them or looking down on them. He is being realistic, the other hunters are literally nowhere near his current level. And he became brothers with Jinho, that doesn’t show superiority. Jin-woo’s personality had changed in some ways, but not in the way you paint him to be.

Who did Jin-woo not care about?

That last sentence is an assumption about a character type, but this is not even true about every main anime character who gains power.

Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.

Mar 23, 6:28 PM

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