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| Most epic, honestly did not expect Harry to do something like that to Brandon. That was such a twist at the end, poor Brandon. I can't wait for Beyond the Grave. |
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| What was the twist? Haven't you guys seen the first episode? |
| Of course we all knew Harry killed Brandon. However, it was the conditions surrounding his murder that surprised me. |
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| Fuck...Harry killed Brandon just like that? I can't believe it...after first episode I expected that he would do it, but ... ehh...i thought that would be later....and not so simply? |
| Sorry, my English isn't perfect ^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "...because the people who are crazy enough to think that they change the world are the ones who do..." |
| Finally, they split. And Brandon... Nah, he will resurrect, right? ... By Necro-Rise, surely. :( And under Harry's orders, surely. :'( It's like Harry was always waiting for this moment. Have all of we fallen to Harry's charms, just like Sherry? |
| so he killed him because he heard the conversation with bid daddy about killing anyone who betrays etc.... fuck him x( |
| Wow! Just wow. |
Earth gets angry after a kick in the face. |
| Wow, that was the best episode thus far. The silence between Brandon and Harry was just so solemn, and the symbolism of Brandon being in the light while Harry was in the dark in the elevator was powerful. It was obvious early on that Harry was far too ambitious, but I didn't think he would do Brandon dirty like that...damn. |
| Well, we all knew it was coming but the circumstances surrounding it still came as a surprise to me. |
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| That was the BEST suspension built up I've ever experienced. Ever. It killed me. FUCK HARRY. FUCK HIM. |
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| That cold bastard ! Not so surprised , but nice twist at the end. |
| Harry Mother fucking Macdowell baby |
| One of the best anime episodes out there. The silence between Brandon and Harry was deafening. Words weren't needed to express the emotions their emotions in the elevator. The only way to describe the Brandon-Harry last half of the episode is perfection personified. First Harry tested Brandon by strongly suggesting he'd had the new boss put into hospital. Brandon walking away to avoid confronting the issue and Harry's eyes as he followed him said it all. And then, in the car, when it took a few seconds for Harry to remember the names of their old friends, Brandon's shock was written all over his face. Neither party liked how the other had changed, and their friendship had reached breaking point. ...Then came the elevator scene and, God, was it ever suspenseful! I've always found myself more on Harry's side because, although he'd become power mad, he hadn't changed all that much since the beginning. What had changed was Brandon's goals: instead of just wanting to protect Harry and Maria, his initial goals had become warped to the point his loyalty was split between the organization, Big Daddy and his best friend. Once Brandon pulled out the gun, there was no longer a way for the two to repair their relationship, and Harry's crazed anger afterwards stemmed from him feeling genuinely betrayed by the one he trusted the most. Had Brandon not become so caught up in Big Daddy's world, Harry may very well have not become known as "Bloody Harry", later on. Also: I felt sorry for Maria when she told Brandon first about being pregnant; before even Big Daddy. When she talked about how she'd ended up having sex with an old man, instead of the man she loved, it sounded very much like she was trying to convince herself that what happened was for the best. She found herself forced to convince herself she was happy because of Brandon being a moron. I liked how Brandon expressed himself with actions, rather than words, and became slightly more articulate/slicker as the series progressed, but seriously: Him not getting it on with Maria would've pissed me off, had BrandonxMaria received more attention. |
| Sublime episode. Finally Harry snaps and let's his ambition devour him to the extent of personally shooting his own best friend. Brandon's handling of the Maria situation was dumb as hell. But then again, that's kind of in his character. All brawn and little brains. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Wow amazing episode. I didn't expect Brandon to die like that. He gave up the girl he loved so he could help his best friend, but he ended up being betrayed by him. 5/5 |
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| Yup, saw this coming. It was sooner or later before Brandon ends up like that and there's no way in hell right now from the way I can see that he can survive that shot. Anyways, 5/5. |
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| This is the best episode of Gungrave. The look on Harry's face while eavesdropping Big Daddy and Brandon's conversation was priceless and the last scene was one of the best things I've ever seen in anime. |
| The fuck was that ? Came out of nowhere. Hated Harry all show, but now I'm in rage. |
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| I was totally waiting how Brandon will die. But that was so suprising! And I kinda like the way Brandon was looking to the sky while falling.. so dramatic. Damn it, Harry! I was even agreeing at him at first to kill Big Daddy so that Maria could be with Brandon again. But now, i hate him. |
| Quite a decent episode, let's see what's next! |
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| Well we knew that was going to happen eventually because of the dumbass first episode. I'm more surprised/upset that Maria's soon to be daughter is from Big Daddy, not Brandon. |
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| that was incredible, you know it was coming even skipping the first episode but the way they handle the betrayal was astonishing and the scene was masterfully pulled off, everything from the build up to the final moments was top notch, Also major props to the symbolism this episode, this series pulls symbolism off well without veering into pretention |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
yamijubaku said: Wow...just wow. I seriously didn't expect that. |
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| Oh my, I really laughed hard when Brandon was talking about Big Daddy and Maria; that has to be the most shittiest excuse to ever leave your[only] love interest. To top it all, Maria still loves him, but, screw that, Big Daddy needs his freedom. On the more serious side of things, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of the elevator and the yin and yang symbolism, or, at least that's what I got from it. Brandon standing in the light, while Harry in the dark. Despite the symbolism, the tension in this episode was very high from the very beginning(beach scene) to the very last, probably the best episode of the show. And if there is a weakest link, then it has to be the romance, and probably the zombies or whatever those things were in the first episode. |
ourielFeb 15, 2015 9:34 AM
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| Talk about a cliffhanger. |
| I knew Harry was going to kill Brandon but it didn't feel right. |
| Maria is pregnant...wow! Harry is a son of bitch! Brandon should have killed him... |
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| Oh come on Maria, I know you've been wanted to get laid by Brandon for years but settling with some old dude who you've thought of as your uncle for years is some pretty desperate stuff.... About Harry being a cunt and killing off his best friend in cold blood, it was only a matter of time. What a shitty life Brandon. Gave up every bit of happiness just to get back stabbed by your best friend. |
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| Best episode. The suspense during the elevator scene, wow. So much more to be said but most the posts above already covered what needed to be said. 5/5 |
| Been best friends since childhood and it all ended just like that. The world of adults is scary. Never forget that kids. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| The sound of glasses cracking from the force of a gun barrel pressed against them is forever etched into my memory. |
| I wonder how faithful the anime was towards the game hmmm. |
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| Wow now that was unexpected :0 |
| Not cool man, Not cool. -_- |
| The way they built into the fallout between Harry and Brandon was brilliant. Reminiscing on the past, revisiting their childhood, the eerie tension as they silently rode the elevator. While I didn't think Harry would betray Brandon this soon, all of the subtle expressions and the unsettled atmosphere led up to it perfectly. |
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| Im so glad that I already forgot what actually happened in the first episode. This episode became even more exciting and thrilling because of that. |
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| Brandon, you should have seen this coming. |
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| Healthy amount of ambition is surely a good thing to have. But too much of it is a poison. Didn't Harry had enough wealth and power? Was it really worth to kill his best friend in exchange for what... even more power? Is it even possible to satisfy this man? |
| I skipped episode 1 for the record, as nearly everyone recommends and oh my god. Best episode yet. Far from retarded as one user put. I noticed this before, especially in the scene last episode(iirc) where Brandon left Maria crying alone, leaving her to be happy, and Harry was making out with Sherry, clearly using her, staring through her coldly thinking of his ambitions, but Harry and Brandon are absolute opposites. Brandon's sense of freedom, what he wants, is of a negative kind, freedom from loss, pain, and sadness. All he wants is to protect Harry, Maria, and Big Daddy, as well as all the other friends and family he's made in the organization. Harry wants freedom of a positive kind, freedom to stealing and giving as much as he could possibly want, freedom to power. The Guts and Griffith analogy has already been made, but it's even to the subversive colors, Brandon like Gut's wears a black outfit, and Harry like Griffith wears white(and rides a white horse). Both are to a fault, Brandon is needlessly self sacrificing, and Harry is needlessly selfish, both result in massive character flaws. And I can only assume the running scene with Harry in the ED is supposed to be reminiscent of Harry chasing the sheet flying away. It pans out and we see Brandon running as well. This scene comes to mean a darker meaning when we assume the sheet is symbolized freedom, which it quite clearly is, and Brandon and Harry are so far away from each other. They have entirely different definitions of the word freedom, the concept both of them are lusting for. This ED somehow got even better... The way the episode slowly unraveled their trust together, AironicallyHuman above gave a perfect description of the key events so I won't rehash, but the suspense filling until the suspense balloon pops was perfect. The directing was phenomenal in its portrayal with this, even if it is hit or miss and a little overbearing at times, when it works(which is a lot), it works so well. The elevator scene had me shaking! BUURAANDOON! Best best best best episode. 10/10 |
gfsdfgsdgsdfgsSep 13, 2017 6:01 AM
| Damn, I didn't think this would happen so suddenly, and I thought it would be something bigger or flashier...good episode though. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| that elevator scene though......... holy MOLY. Insanity harry. u r trash. that is all. |
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| My rewatch of Gungrave continues. What a great buildup. Subtle, little rocks rolling here and there and it builds up in a big crescendo and then the catastrophic finale. To think that if Big Daddy had chosen Harry, things would have turned out much differently. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
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